Comments on: Η πρώτη μουσουλμάνα Επαγγελματίας Οπλίτης http://www.greeksrethink.com/2009/01/%ce%b7-%cf%80%cf%81%cf%8e%cf%84%ce%b7-%ce%bc%ce%bf%cf%85%cf%83%ce%bf%cf%85%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%ac%ce%bd%ce%b1-%ce%b5%cf%80%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%b1%cf%84%ce%af%ce%b1%cf%82-%ce%bf%cf%80/ Connecting Greek Muslims - Connecting Rethinkers of Life Sun, 31 Jul 2011 12:00:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Hayrullah http://www.greeksrethink.com/2009/01/%ce%b7-%cf%80%cf%81%cf%8e%cf%84%ce%b7-%ce%bc%ce%bf%cf%85%cf%83%ce%bf%cf%85%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%ac%ce%bd%ce%b1-%ce%b5%cf%80%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%b1%cf%84%ce%af%ce%b1%cf%82-%ce%bf%cf%80/comment-page-1/#comment-912 Hayrullah Sun, 01 Feb 2009 06:33:17 +0000 http://www.greeksrethink.com/?p=1529#comment-912 VERY well summarized VERY well summarized

]]> By: ImanK http://www.greeksrethink.com/2009/01/%ce%b7-%cf%80%cf%81%cf%8e%cf%84%ce%b7-%ce%bc%ce%bf%cf%85%cf%83%ce%bf%cf%85%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%ac%ce%bd%ce%b1-%ce%b5%cf%80%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%b1%cf%84%ce%af%ce%b1%cf%82-%ce%bf%cf%80/comment-page-1/#comment-911 ImanK Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:05:06 +0000 http://www.greeksrethink.com/?p=1529#comment-911 I read a quote from a shaykh, "Judging someone else's intentions only shows your own insincerity." Brothers and sisters, let's all admit this is just a HUGE misunderstanding on all sides. I mean don't we all believe that: The sister is a Muslim unless she says otherwise? YES We should always assume best of our brothers and sisters? YES We give 70 excuses for our brothers and sisters? YES That shaytan is trying to divide us right now as we speak? YES So, how about we just give shaytan a black eye right now? YES LOLOL :) :) :) I read a quote from a shaykh,

“Judging someone else’s intentions only shows your own insincerity.”

Brothers and sisters, let’s all admit this is just a HUGE misunderstanding on all sides. I mean don’t we all believe that:

The sister is a Muslim unless she says otherwise? YES
We should always assume best of our brothers and sisters? YES
We give 70 excuses for our brothers and sisters? YES
That shaytan is trying to divide us right now as we speak? YES

So, how about we just give shaytan a black eye right now? YES LOLOL :) :) :)

]]> By: Hayrullah http://www.greeksrethink.com/2009/01/%ce%b7-%cf%80%cf%81%cf%8e%cf%84%ce%b7-%ce%bc%ce%bf%cf%85%cf%83%ce%bf%cf%85%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%ac%ce%bd%ce%b1-%ce%b5%cf%80%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%b1%cf%84%ce%af%ce%b1%cf%82-%ce%bf%cf%80/comment-page-1/#comment-910 Hayrullah Sat, 31 Jan 2009 04:57:26 +0000 http://www.greeksrethink.com/?p=1529#comment-910 Esi Pierra nomizo akus ot thes kai opos ta thes. Ehis kathe dikaioma y'afto. Kai sevomai to dikaioma su na ehis tin eleftheria na kanis opos thes. Opos ipa omos, epidhi then ise Musulmana kai irthes sto site na mathis yia to Islam (opos mas ipes sto forum pos ehis polles erotises kai na min enohlithum ap aftes) irthe kai i katalili stiymi na mathis kai kati kainouryio pu isos then gnorizeis yia to Islam. Sto Islam APOGOREVETE stous Musulmanous na vazun kai na vyazun atoma apo to ziamet tu Islam. Ine poli meyali amartia na apokalesis enan pu leei oti pistev ston Allah ki ton Muhammad os teleftaio apestalmeno profiti Tou apisto. O ALLAH monon xerei tis protheseis ki tin pisti tu kathenos. Isos afto na sinithizete stis ekklisies ki ta monastiria, alla OHI sto Islam. KAI OSI PRATUN ALLOIOS, then pratun logo tu Islam alla antitheta tu Islam. Aftes ine kanones enthetimenes mesa sta vasika kitapia tu Islam, prwta prwta sto Korani kai meta sta Hadeeth. Esi Pierra nomizo akus ot thes kai opos ta thes. Ehis kathe dikaioma y’afto. Kai sevomai to dikaioma su na ehis tin eleftheria na kanis opos thes. Opos ipa omos, epidhi then ise Musulmana kai irthes sto site na mathis yia to Islam (opos mas ipes sto forum pos ehis polles erotises kai na min enohlithum ap aftes) irthe kai i katalili stiymi na mathis kai kati kainouryio pu isos then gnorizeis yia to Islam.

Sto Islam APOGOREVETE stous Musulmanous na vazun kai na vyazun atoma apo to ziamet tu Islam. Ine poli meyali amartia na apokalesis enan pu leei oti pistev ston Allah ki ton Muhammad os teleftaio apestalmeno profiti Tou apisto. O ALLAH monon xerei tis protheseis ki tin pisti tu kathenos. Isos afto na sinithizete stis ekklisies ki ta monastiria, alla OHI sto Islam. KAI OSI PRATUN ALLOIOS, then pratun logo tu Islam alla antitheta tu Islam. Aftes ine kanones enthetimenes mesa sta vasika kitapia tu Islam, prwta prwta sto Korani kai meta sta Hadeeth.

]]> By: Hayrullah http://www.greeksrethink.com/2009/01/%ce%b7-%cf%80%cf%81%cf%8e%cf%84%ce%b7-%ce%bc%ce%bf%cf%85%cf%83%ce%bf%cf%85%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%ac%ce%bd%ce%b1-%ce%b5%cf%80%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%b1%cf%84%ce%af%ce%b1%cf%82-%ce%bf%cf%80/comment-page-1/#comment-909 Hayrullah Sat, 31 Jan 2009 04:37:59 +0000 http://www.greeksrethink.com/?p=1529#comment-909 Ne re manoula'm, Ali did say that but you have read I THINK to much into his words. If you feel Ali really took the woman out of Islam, do you not think as a Muslim it would have been better for you to give your brother naseeha and tell him something like this, "Yo Ali, hold on a minute here brother. We are all Muslims here and you know our prophet (SAWS) forbade us from calling a person who proclaims the kalima a kaafir and warned us of the punishment of such action" instead of just jumping the gun on MAYBE, I am just saying MAYBE an assumption you have arrived at? You defended the girl and that is right of you, but defending one Muslim by accusing another of a SERIOUS sin in Islam is not in the interest of Islam or Muslims. And I think most definately Allah will not approve of such "defense" (and He knows best). I ask you in all humbleness as your brother in Islam to just listen to one last thing. Maybe, just maybe, Ali said she has nothing to do with Islam in the way a relative might get mad at another relative for a wrong action and the former says "I have nothing to do with him". We know that he is not disclaiming him as blood because genetic testing and other community members are always at the side of the former to prove the invalidity of such a claim. But what the former relative MAY, again just MAY (I do not claim I know intentions of people, I am not Allah) be saying is that he does not agree with the latter or that he is mad at him. All I am saying is that I think there are better ways to disagree with each other, to give naseeha, to correct each other. And when you see a mistake of your brother/sister it is also good to cover it and then give naseeha. Ama tous pars mi ts'petres, as they say in my village, petres tha fas. As for the other points in your last post.....I am with you 101% (not 100,but 101!) Hijab does not make you a Muslim, neither does following all the rules just for the sake of following rules. That is why the message of "Those who BELIEVE......and do good works" resonates all throughout the Quran. Hajde Ablam Selam Alaejkum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu Ne re manoula’m, Ali did say that but you have read I THINK to much into his words. If you feel Ali really took the woman out of Islam, do you not think as a Muslim it would have been better for you to give your brother naseeha and tell him something like this, “Yo Ali, hold on a minute here brother. We are all Muslims here and you know our prophet (SAWS) forbade us from calling a person who proclaims the kalima a kaafir and warned us of the punishment of such action” instead of just jumping the gun on MAYBE, I am just saying MAYBE an assumption you have arrived at? You defended the girl and that is right of you, but defending one Muslim by accusing another of a SERIOUS sin in Islam is not in the interest of Islam or Muslims. And I think most definately Allah will not approve of such “defense” (and He knows best). I ask you in all humbleness as your brother in Islam to just listen to one last thing. Maybe, just maybe, Ali said she has nothing to do with Islam in the way a relative might get mad at another relative for a wrong action and the former says “I have nothing to do with him”. We know that he is not disclaiming him as blood because genetic testing and other community members are always at the side of the former to prove the invalidity of such a claim. But what the former relative MAY, again just MAY (I do not claim I know intentions of people, I am not Allah) be saying is that he does not agree with the latter or that he is mad at him. All I am saying is that I think there are better ways to disagree with each other, to give naseeha, to correct each other. And when you see a mistake of your brother/sister it is also good to cover it and then give naseeha. Ama tous pars mi ts’petres, as they say in my village, petres tha fas.

As for the other points in your last post…..I am with you 101% (not 100,but 101!) Hijab does not make you a Muslim, neither does following all the rules just for the sake of following rules. That is why the message of “Those who BELIEVE……and do good works” resonates all throughout the Quran.

Hajde Ablam
Selam Alaejkum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

]]> By: Anna http://www.greeksrethink.com/2009/01/%ce%b7-%cf%80%cf%81%cf%8e%cf%84%ce%b7-%ce%bc%ce%bf%cf%85%cf%83%ce%bf%cf%85%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%ac%ce%bd%ce%b1-%ce%b5%cf%80%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%b1%cf%84%ce%af%ce%b1%cf%82-%ce%bf%cf%80/comment-page-1/#comment-906 Anna Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:02:03 +0000 http://www.greeksrethink.com/?p=1529#comment-906 Ο Αλί έγραψε "η κοπέλα δεν έχει καμία σχέση με το Ισλάμ" and nobody commented. this was more than enough to ring some bells here. You are my brothers and sisters and I am saying again we should be very cautious on easy words like these, the best thing is to make bridges with people, as Iman says and yes, br.Hayrullah you are right, I also know many people who state to be muslim but are not. But here we cannot measure the religious belief of someone just by rumor or whatever, it is not the islamic way. Woman in hijab does not necessarily means religious, you also know that. And although I am wearing the hijab, I know that this is not the means to protect me and keep me in the faith, my heart is. you correctly understood that I have the best intentions, but I meant every word. May Allah be with you all. Ο Αλί έγραψε “η κοπέλα δεν έχει καμία σχέση με το Ισλάμ” and nobody commented. this was more than enough to ring some bells here. You are my brothers and sisters and I am saying again we should be very cautious on easy words like these, the best thing is to make bridges with people, as Iman says and yes, br.Hayrullah you are right, I also know many people who state to be muslim but are not. But here we cannot measure the religious belief of someone just by rumor or whatever, it is not the islamic way. Woman in hijab does not necessarily means religious, you also know that. And although I am wearing the hijab, I know that this is not the means to protect me and keep me in the faith, my heart is. you correctly understood that I have the best intentions, but I meant every word. May Allah be with you all.

]]> By: ImanK http://www.greeksrethink.com/2009/01/%ce%b7-%cf%80%cf%81%cf%8e%cf%84%ce%b7-%ce%bc%ce%bf%cf%85%cf%83%ce%bf%cf%85%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%ac%ce%bd%ce%b1-%ce%b5%cf%80%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%b1%cf%84%ce%af%ce%b1%cf%82-%ce%bf%cf%80/comment-page-1/#comment-905 ImanK Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:02:53 +0000 http://www.greeksrethink.com/?p=1529#comment-905 Feim, assalaamu alaikum. Herome poli pou eirthes sto website. Ella sto forum na gnorizoume oli mazi. www.greeksrethink.com/forum Feim, assalaamu alaikum. Herome poli pou eirthes sto website. Ella sto forum na gnorizoume oli mazi. http://www.greeksrethink.com/forum

]]> By: pierra http://www.greeksrethink.com/2009/01/%ce%b7-%cf%80%cf%81%cf%8e%cf%84%ce%b7-%ce%bc%ce%bf%cf%85%cf%83%ce%bf%cf%85%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%ac%ce%bd%ce%b1-%ce%b5%cf%80%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%b1%cf%84%ce%af%ce%b1%cf%82-%ce%bf%cf%80/comment-page-1/#comment-904 pierra Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:46:40 +0000 http://www.greeksrethink.com/?p=1529#comment-904 Hairullah, H Anna ta eipe olososta. Kai kalo tha einai na afougrasteite ti thelei na sas pei. Xoris, nai men alla... Hairullah, H Anna ta eipe olososta. Kai kalo tha einai na afougrasteite ti thelei na sas pei. Xoris, nai men alla…

]]> By: Hayrullah http://www.greeksrethink.com/2009/01/%ce%b7-%cf%80%cf%81%cf%8e%cf%84%ce%b7-%ce%bc%ce%bf%cf%85%cf%83%ce%bf%cf%85%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%ac%ce%bd%ce%b1-%ce%b5%cf%80%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%b1%cf%84%ce%af%ce%b1%cf%82-%ce%bf%cf%80/comment-page-1/#comment-902 Hayrullah Fri, 30 Jan 2009 04:13:07 +0000 http://www.greeksrethink.com/?p=1529#comment-902 Kala re Pierra, min ipervalum kiolas. H Anna ipe polla sosta praymata stin apantisi tis. Ke me ta perisotera shimfono apolitos kai tin efharisto para poli pu anefere merika zitimata simandika pu prepei na sizitithun peri to Islam edho mesa. Alla afto pu ipe pos tin vyalaman tin kopela ap'tin Xlagani oxo apo to Islam, eine lathos kai oute gia agiasma oute gia heirokrotima ine. Ine katiyorio sovaro, pu an ise(;) Musulmana/os tha to katanoouses afto. H prothesi tis Annas itan kali nomizo alla apo monos mu ithela na xekathariso toulahiston tin thesi mu ki ti thesi tu Islam peri to dikaioma ton Mousoulmanwn na vyazun kai na vazun tous omthriskous apo kai tin kinotita tu Peygamber Muhammad (SAVS). Kala re Pierra, min ipervalum kiolas. H Anna ipe polla sosta praymata stin apantisi tis. Ke me ta perisotera shimfono apolitos kai tin efharisto para poli pu anefere merika zitimata simandika pu prepei na sizitithun peri to Islam edho mesa. Alla afto pu ipe pos tin vyalaman tin kopela ap’tin Xlagani oxo apo to Islam, eine lathos kai oute gia agiasma oute gia heirokrotima ine. Ine katiyorio sovaro, pu an ise(;) Musulmana/os tha to katanoouses afto. H prothesi tis Annas itan kali nomizo alla apo monos mu ithela na xekathariso toulahiston tin thesi mu ki ti thesi tu Islam peri to dikaioma ton Mousoulmanwn na vyazun kai na vazun tous omthriskous apo kai tin kinotita tu Peygamber Muhammad (SAVS).

]]> By: feim http://www.greeksrethink.com/2009/01/%ce%b7-%cf%80%cf%81%cf%8e%cf%84%ce%b7-%ce%bc%ce%bf%cf%85%cf%83%ce%bf%cf%85%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%ac%ce%bd%ce%b1-%ce%b5%cf%80%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%b1%cf%84%ce%af%ce%b1%cf%82-%ce%bf%cf%80/comment-page-1/#comment-899 feim Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:16:10 +0000 http://www.greeksrethink.com/?p=1529#comment-899 bravo ke ego erxome apo ekei bravo ke ego erxome apo ekei

]]> By: pierra http://www.greeksrethink.com/2009/01/%ce%b7-%cf%80%cf%81%cf%8e%cf%84%ce%b7-%ce%bc%ce%bf%cf%85%cf%83%ce%bf%cf%85%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%ac%ce%bd%ce%b1-%ce%b5%cf%80%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%b1%cf%84%ce%af%ce%b1%cf%82-%ce%bf%cf%80/comment-page-1/#comment-895 pierra Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:37:26 +0000 http://www.greeksrethink.com/?p=1529#comment-895 NA AGIASEI TO STOMATAKI SOY, ANNA MOY! EYGE! NA AGIASEI TO STOMATAKI SOY, ANNA MOY! EYGE!

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