Greek Parliament Member: Glory of Islam
May 29, 2009 by greekmuslim
Source: Enet.gr
by Pericles Korovesis, PM SYRIZA to the Greek Parliament.
(Διαβάστε στα Ελληνικά. قراءة العربية)
“It needs one thousand sages to find a stone once thrown to the sea by an idiot.” Old Chinese proverb.
But, it needs thousands of responsible citizens to protest in a much louder way than Greek Muslims have been doing for the last couple of weeks, after an idiot police officer in Athens, Greece had torn and stepped on a copy of the Noble Quraan.
At the end of the story, it seems convenient that we must stop the link of the Quraan with immigration: it’s time to accept that the truth of Islam embraces Greek citizens’ beliefs.
That poor cop didn’t know that Jesus and the Virgin Mary are venerated in the Muslim world with the same honour as the Christians do so. How could he know that they are mentioned so many times in the Quranic text?
How might he explain to his parents that he had spat on Jesus and Virgin Mary? Islam is a religion and one of the great civilisations in the history of humanity. Thanks to the great philosophers and wise men of Islam, we have today important texts from the literature and science from the classic antiquity saved. In plain words, no chance for modern science to exist without the Islamic contribution in mathematics (algebra), physics, medicine, geometry and astronomy.
Islam means submission to God: not so far from “obey to God” in Christian terms. Islam is one of the three monotheistic (Abrahamic)religions – Judaism and Christianity the other two.
The Noble Quraan appears during the 7th century as a text revealed from God to the Prophet Muhammad doesn’t bring any innovation; it reasserts what already existed as monotheistic values.
But it is focused on the issue of poverty, emphasizes on our responsibility to the poor and social solidarity, speaking the present tongue; this is a sine qua non for the Islamic faith.
Now we can understand why Islam had such a triumphant course in Pakistan and Indonesia, still on the move forward.
Islamic moral code includes these commandments: do not kill; do not commit adultery; do not steal; do not tell lies. Everybody knows their origin in religion.
There are about 15 million Muslims in Europe (2002 statistics). Today, roughly estimated they approach 20 million. But what does it mean to us? Perhaps the person next door may be a Muslim and feeling Greek as we do.
Today the campaign against Islam is much the same as happened against communism at the cold war time. Let us recall what G.W. Bush said about the war of the good against the evil or Berlusconi’s statement about the superiority of Christianity over Islam, the theory about the clash of civilisations by S.Huddington since 2000, meaning the clash of the Christian vs. the Islamic world.
It is the Imperialism hidden behind anti-Islamism. This does not mean that corrupted and authoritarian governments and regimes do not exist on the name of the Prophet. But, G.W. Bush wasn’t speaking on behalf of God? Or our Jesus Christ blocked black business in Vatopaidi monastery or bribes to come from Siemens?
Therefore, we as Greeks, have more reasons to come closer to our Muslim brothers.
Pericles Korovesis is an accomplished writer and journalist. His books are published in many languages and he is a regular columnist at various newspapers. He struggles for environmental, human rights, education, and immigrant causes. He is member of the Greek Parliament at Syriza party (left). perikliskorovesis.wordpress.com
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Bilal forgot to mention in the article, Greek Parliament Member; Glory of Islam, that on this day, MAY 29, 1453 the Muslim Ottoman Turks conquered the Byzantine Christian capital of Constantinople.
Cheers.
Hi Son of Sparta
Mr Korovesis and no Bilal is talking about the Glory of Islam. Now how many times does it takes?
Not every Muslim is a Turk. The Turks just happened to be Muslims.
We have said it so many times surely you can not be confused.
Xenia
Oι τουρκοι την εποχη των πολεμων ηταν μουσουλμανοι στα χαρτια και οχι στο πνευμα αγαπητε, η αλλιως μουσουλμανοι οπου τους συμφερε,διοτι αν ηταν γνησιοι μουσουλμανοι δεν θα φερονταν ετσι.
Ξεκολληστε απο το μυαλο σας τους τουρκους επιτελους,δεν φταει μια θρησκεια αν οι οπαδοι της δεν τηρουν τους νομους της.
Κι εμεις ελληνες ειμαστε με τον ιδιο πατριωτισμο μεσα μας οπως κι εσεις λετε να γινομασταν μουσουλμανοι αν σημαινε ισλαμ=τουρκια ? Οχι δα!
Υπαρχουν και χριστιανοι που επραξαν και πραττουν απαισια πραγματα φταιει ο Χριστιανισμος για αυτο? Για σκεφτητε το λιγο….
Ποναμε για την Κωνσταντινουπολη,ποναμε για την Κυπρο, να απαρνηθουμε ομως τον Θεο επειδη τυχαινει ναι ειναι και οι Τουρκοι μουσουλμανοι?
Αλλωστε οπως προειπα σε ολες τις θρησκειες υπαρχουν καλοι και κακοι πιστοι.
S.O.S
I’m not the author of the article.
But since you mentioned it,when the Ottoman sconquested Konstaninople(Estanpolin-Istambul) on 29/5/1453 they knew that they received a dead corpse.
Its fatal illness stared at the battle of Mdjikert on 1070 when emperor Romanos Diogenis was defeated by the advancing Seljuks.Since then Turcik tribes settled in Anatolia and Pezinegh Turks accepted as low and middle military officers in the Roman Army.
The death of the Empire happened during the conquest of the Polis by the Crusaders.They killed,tortured and mutilated corpses .They burned and destroyed the Polin.They desacraliised Agia Sofia,killing priests even raping girls on the altar.The treasures found moved westwards.
They ruled the Empire’s territory divided between them and controlled the volks by oppression as subservients in their established feudal rule.
After their expulsion from the land they had conquered,Emperors found the Seljuks settled in Anatolia and coexisted with them for centuries on a complex system of political equilibrium.
Ibn Batutta the Muslim spiritual traveller fom Morroco of that time visited the emperor in the Polin and was received with honour in his court.
Gregorios Palamas,the theologian whoose work is the cornerstone to distinguish east from west on christian theology values,served in the court of the Bursa’s Emir tutoring his heirs,for 20 yrs.
After the Ottomans took over the power from the Seljuks the empire’s borders retreated gradually to the outskirts of the Polis.The last emperors of the Palaeologi dynasty overtly prolatin tried and failed to bound the religious and political future of the empire to the pappal theocracy,in the Ferrara council.
We carry even today the burden of the final failure and disagreement to unify-subdue the east to the west.
You,S.O.S,are one way or another a follower of Bessarion bishop of Trabsun who stayed in the west with his library(the core of biblioteca Marciana in Venice).
Me,I am a follower of Georgios Gennadios Scholarios,former unity supporter,and of Marcos Eugenicus of Ephesus who opposed the emperors to deliver our souls to the Pappacy.
He,GGS with Ioannis Doucas were the leaders of the crowds inside the seized Polis,a relic of its old glory with merely 30.000 ctizens in the place for one millon as in its past,who moved to the Palace shouting:No to azymites!!
They opened the famous side door to deliver the corpse of the empire to the Ottomans.
The emperor was fighting alongside with his genovese mercenaries under Juvenalis on top of the Polis fortresses,a lost battle.
Mehmet Fatih an educated,polyglot son of an orthodox christian mother is said that he had Achilles as his model in fight and that he used to carry the Homeric works always with him.
GGS was honoured as Patriarch of the Rum millyet(volk) being the official minister of the rum orthodox peoples(Ethnarhes).
Agia Sofia remained a place for worship as a mosque,AgyaSofya mosque,a sacre place.
If there was any kind of mutiny or desacralisation of the church it should had never been a mosque.
You forgot to mention that if the Ottoman Turks did not march toward Constantinople there were be no need for the Orthodox Church to ask help from the Latin West! Yes there was a real divide between those who favoured reunification with the West (after all the split was mainly political) and those who prefered the notion that it is “better to be under the Ottoman turban than the Papal tiara” Also I don’t know how you claim to be a a follower of Georgios Gennadios Scholarios unless of course you are a secret Orthodox Christian living under a turban ruler.
As for Mehmet II, despite his education and carrying the Homeric works he obviously did not understand their meaning. Acting like Achilles in battle is not very heroric after all, Achilles dragged Hector’s body around the walls of Troy. Also Achilles was driven by anger, opening line of the Iliad “Sing, O goddess, the anger of Achilles son of Peleus, that brought countless ills upon the Achaeans (Greeks).” Perhaps Mehmet should have modeled himelf after Odysseus who in the end of the Odyssey discovers the real hero is one who is humble by the end of his journey. We even get to see this transformation in Achilles’ character in the Odyssey as well when as a ghost figure in Hades Achilles tells Odysseus; “Better a beggar on earth than a prince in the realm of shades,” By studying the Illiad and Odyssey carefully one understands that the concept of the hero changes from the Iliad to the Odyssey, from being proud and predatory to humble and self-restrained. In the Iliad the warrior hero takes centre stage, in the Odyssey however, the reflective inner hero triumphs, Odysseus in the begining is full of pride when he tells the Cyclops, “‘if any one asks you who it was that put your eye out and spoiled your beauty, say it was the valiant warrior Odysseus, son of Laertes, who lives in Ithaca.’ But this pride got Odysseus into a lot of trouble with particularly with the Cyclops’ father Poseidon. In the end of the poem after 20 years away from home does Odysseus finally reached Ithaca, alone broken and no longer full of pride, letting go his ego, he holds back from telling anyone who he was until the time was right. This is the evolution of the hero and what Homer’s poem is all about.
Now compare the actions to Mehmet to the heroes of Homer and what they reveal to us. Mehmet after taking over Constantinople is full of pride, he demolished the church of the Holy Apostles and built on the site a mosque, he also destroyed the burial place of Constantine and other Byzantine emperors, somehow despite carryng Homers poems Mehmet fails to understand their meanings.
“You,S.O.S,are one way or another a follower of Bessarion bishop of Trabsun who stayed in the west with his library(the core of biblioteca Marciana in Venice).
Me,I am a follower of Georgios Gennadios Scholarios,former unity supporter,and of Marcos Eugenicus of Ephesus who opposed the emperors to deliver our souls to the Pappacy.”
Well, i am not a follower of either Bessarion bishop or Scholarios,
I am a follower of Mehmet the Fatih, who conquered Istanbul, may Allah reward him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I cannot believe what i am reading……
yes, i am greek and born in greece by greek parents, but I am muslim and behind my muslim brothers first.
I am very proud that Istanbul was taken by muslims and is now a muslim city, and the rest of muslims in this group they can go on making excuses to christian greeks because they do not want to upset them, but that is not me!!!!!
I am so happy when i see all the beautiful mosques in Istanbul, and being a muslim city….
By the way my family came to greece as refugees from turkey, but that doesnt stop me from loving my muslim turkish brothers
Aδελφη μου Γιασμιν,
θα μιλησω προσωπικα για μενα ,δεν θελω να χαιδεψω κανενος τα αυτια,ουτε Χριστιανου ουτε Μουσουλμανου,στη ζωη μου εχω μαθει να λεω τη γνωμη μου απο τη στιγμη βεβαια που αυτη δεν θιγει κανεναν.
Εσυ μπορει να νοιωθεις ετσι ,αυτο δεν σημαινει οτι το ασπαζονται ολοι,εγω θα προτιμουσα η Κωνσταντινουπολη να ηταν ελληνικη και γιατι οχι τα τζαμια θα μπορουσαν να τα εχουν φτιαξει Ελληνες μουσουλμανοι.
Με αυτο το σκεπτικο ε τοτε ας παρουν και ολοι την Ελλαδα για να ειναι ολοι μουσουλμανοι και η Ελλαδα γεματη τζαμια!!!
Αντι να παραδωσουμε ομως την υπεροχη χωρα μας σε ξενα χερια,γιατι να μην προσπαθησουμε εμεις να την κανουμε καλυτερη?
Γιατι να μην ειναι η γενεια η δικη μας η αφετηρια για μια καλυτερη Ελλαδα?
Προτιμω να παλεψω για τη χωρα μου,για να την κανω καλυτερη παρα να επιλεξω τον ευκολο δρομο της παραδοσεις.
Με αγαπη Μαριαμ.
Mariam,
Diladi pws 8a tin kanate Elliniki tin Istanbul?
Exei 18 ekatomuria an8rwpous, ean tin epairnan oi Ellines, me ti 8a tin gemizan? me katsikia kai provata? i 8a afinan tous 3enoun eleu8era na menoun ekei, san tou Pakistanous? i 8a edinan elliniki ipikootita se olous tous Tourkous????
XAXAXA, that is soo funny!!
it was the plan of Allah that Istanbul become muslim, it is in the Quran, surah Rum.
Den mporw na pisteupsw oti enas mousoulmanos vazei tin elliniki tou ipikootita panw apo to Islam giati zileuoun tous Tourkous….
I am soooo happy every time i meet greeks that want Istanbul back
it is the most beautiful city in the world and it is muslim and turkish, and am so happy about it.
And if you, greeks want to make Greece and Athens a better place to live, go ahead, but you have a lot of work to do…..
The war between christianity and Islam, East and West is a number of numbers……apla
Christians have less children and westerners, and muslims and orientals have more children and of course they will become majority and overtake the world, in Europe, America, and Greece.
this is inevitable, nothing can be done about it…….
and foreigners, muslims and non-muslims will be the majority in greece….because greeks are dying, while this will not happen in the East where half the population is children….
God is Great!
Ασσαλαμ αλεικουμ και παλι αδερφη Γιασμην,
νομιζω οτι δεν καταλαβες καλα,δεν βαζω την ελληνικη μου υπηκοοτητα πανω απο το ισλαμ αλλα δεν θα χαρω κιολας να παρουν την Ελλαδα οι τουρκοι γιατι ειναι μουσουλμανοι!
Απορω πως μπορεις να σκεφτεσαι ετσι!!!
Σιγουρα υπαρχει πολυς και δυσκολος δρομος αλλα πρεπει ολοι οι ελληνες μουσουλμανοι να παλεψουμε για ενα καλυτερο αυριο.
Γιατι να ζηλεψω τους Τουρκους ειλικρινα δεν καταλαβαινω!!!
Εχω φιλους Τουρκους πολυ καλους μουσουλμανους και μου λενε οτι ο λαος δεν θελει να συμμετασχει στα παιχνιδια εξουσιας που παιζουν οι μεγαλοι.
Αγαπω την χωρα μου και δεν νομιζω να ειναι κακο αυτο,ασφαλως η θρησκεια μου ειναι πανω απο ολα,αλλα νομιζεις οτι δεν εχουν διεξαχθει πολεμοι ακομα και αναμεσα σε ισλαμικα κρατη για να υπερασπιση καθε πλευρα τα εδαφη της?
Ο ελληνας δεν ειναι μονο κατσικια και προβατα εχουμε βγαλει σπουδαιους ανθρωπους στην επιστημη,στην λογοτεχνια,στην ποιηση κ.τ.λ.
Απορω πως εσυ μια Ελληνιδα σκεφτεσαι ετσι.
Γιατι να μην μεταδωσουμε σωστα το μηνυμα του Αλλαχ στους συμπατριωτες μας εμεις,ακομα κι αν αυτο απαιτει χρονο και κοπο,και νομιζεις παιρνοντας την Ελλαδα οι Τουρκοι,οι Ελληνες θα αγαπουσαν η θα μισουσαν το Ισλαμ?
Θα το μισουσαν οπως το μισουν οι περισσοτεροι Κυπριοι.
Οχι γιατι φταιει τι Ισλαμ αλλα γιατι θα ηταν οι θρησκεια των κατακτητων τους.
Εχουν περασει τοσα χρονια απο των πολεμο των τουρκων με την Ελλαδα κι ακομη οι Ελληνες μισουν το Ισλαμ λογω αυτων.
Γιατι εμεις να μην τους αλλαξουμε τη γνωμη για τη θρησκεια μας μεταφεροντας σωστα το μηνυμα του Θεου?
Asalamu Alaykum Mariam and Yasmine.
If we look at it from the Islamic point of view Islam does not encourage oppression.
So whoever is/was the oppressor is at contradiction with the Divine Laws. We know the commands of when and the circumstances under which a war would be allowed.
A great emphasis in Islam is put on the ” There is no compulsion in Religion”.
And remember the Hadith about the seven types of people shaded by Allah’s throne on the day of Judgement and that is ” A Just Ruler”
But we also have now to move on from the grudges and work hard to show the correct picture of Islam and show our brothers and sisters in ethnicity in Greece and in the world in fact that Muslims are not what they have learnt and heard them to be,but we are the best of people following the divine commands and the prophetic teachings and working for a better future.
Ammen
The war between christianity and Islam, East and West is a number of numbers……apla
Christians have less children and westerners, and muslims and orientals have more children and of course they will become majority and overtake the world, in Europe, America, and Greece.
this is inevitable, nothing can be done about it…….
and foreigners, muslims and non-muslims will be the majority in greece….because greeks are dying, while this will not happen in the East where half the population is children….
God is Great!
^^ Lets see if I understand you Yasmine, you say that the East and West Islam and Christianity is a war of numbers? You believe because Muslim families each must have 5 childeren Muslims will soon over take everyone else in the world due in large part to your tendency to breed in large numbers? Thus Europe will become Muslim. You believe it was God or Allah’s will that Istanbul become muslim? Thank you for your honest opinion. Here’s mine. Many Greeks and many in the West also feel there is war going on today between the East and West. Just as you feel it was Allah’s will to turn Hagai Sophia into a mosque many Greeks feel it is God’s will that Hagia Sophia should be a church again. Now even though you were born of Greek parents but support the Turks taking over Constaninople is nothing new, after all Greeks have always had traitors since the time of antiquity, does the name Ephialtes ring a bell? Also I can assure you many Greeks and Westerns believe many Muslims in Europe will never identify themselves as being Western or Greek and will only acknowledge themselves with their Muslim brothers and sisters. So to summarize, Greeks and Europeans are waking up to the reality that is a severe clash of civilizations within the borders of Europe and if the two main faith groups cannot soon agree on how to co-exist in peace (and let us all pray they do) then all hell will break loose on a scale unprecedented in world history.
SOS
” Traitors” is such a word eh.
We just chose to believe in One God with No Partners.
We still love Greece and all Greek but your comment sums it up.
In your eyes we are traitors. Thanks for the ” Honour”
Min anisuxeis glukia mou Xenia,
let him call me any names he wants….
If he thinks by changing my religion i became a traitor to greece, then any greek by becoming orthodox, became traitor to Ancient greek civilization, and any greek that took any other citizenship due to emigration, became a traitor also…….whatever….
I have been called a traitor before, to my so called “white” race, because of my association with black people, and i have been spat upon my face, by white racists, who said i betrayed my race…..
You don’t know how proud i am for standing up for my beliefs and against oppresion….
S.O.S,
I read an article recently about which religion is going to overtake the world,
and to my disappointment, they said that muslims will be more in the world, but the world is becoming more SECULAR every day, so even more people in the world will call themselves muslims, they will also be secular, and therefore accepting of others.
so, i do not believe there will be a clash of civilizations, but consumerism will be something that everybody will worship, as we have seen from muslims who enter the west.
So, it will be neither Islam or Christianity, who will win, but rather…..
McDonalds…
I agree with your comment Yasmine. Very much so.
It is like ” If you cant beat them Join them” and we see this everywhere.
And I am going back to the word ” Traitor” and Efialtis.
This word has been trying to come out by a lot of people in the Forum. To give you a little example all that talk about the Syntagma and immigrants and greek nationals. It has been brewing. Only SOS voiced it. Bravo tou. Well done.He has done their dirty job for them.
You told me once ” keep the ties” with Greece.
I am asking ” how can I?” ; when my own brothers and sisters in ethnicity see us like this.
Anyway I slept well last night.
SOS comments did not give me any Efialtes
Xenia
And anyway if you become a burden to somebody that being a counrty or a person because they do not understand you and accept you even if you try your very best ,Yasmine mou, is it not better to leave them?
And Allah SWT knows best.
Xenia
Yasmine wrote:
I am a follower of Mehmet the Fatih, who conquered Istanbul…..
I am very proud that Istanbul was taken by muslims and is now a muslim city, and the rest of muslims in this group they can go on making excuses to christian greeks because they do not want to upset them, but that is not me!!!!!
By the way my family came to greece as refugees from turkey, but that doesnt stop me from loving my muslim turkish brothers.
^^ So why are you Yasmine a traitor in my eyes? Because you are Muslim? Because you associate with black people? NO. It is because you are grateful that the Turks conquring Constantinople. You have no remorse over what happen to the Greeks. You, whose family came to Greece “as refugees from turkey” feel nothing for the plight of those Greeks, who may have been your distant relatives fleeing being killed and put on the spit by the Ottomans. You put smiling faces on your words after mocking what happen to your own people at Constantinople, your own ethnos, you own flesh and blood family from Anatolia and show no feelings of sympathy at what had transpired. You think associating with black people spares you from being a rascist? Tell me how can you say “proud i am for standing up for my beliefs and against oppresion and not feel anything for your fellow Greeks who were driven out of
Constantinople and were enslaved for 400 years?. How can you ask for religious freedom in Greece when you support those who took away religious freedom from the Greek Orthodox community at Constantinople and are happy by that incident in history? Are you so high on your pedistal that you are incapable of acknowledging the atrocities commited by the Muslim Turks against the Greeks at Constantinople, that even your fellow Muslim forum members have accepted to be unjust. I can never understand anyone who believes they are so rightious and is incapable of feeling any empathy for his fellow countrymen.
S.O.S,
You are oviously very educated, so how come some part of history escaped you?
what happened to greeks in turkey, the same thing happened to turks in greece……they had to be expelled, from the country where they were born and lived all their life, to the uknown…..
muslims died in the hands of christians in greece and vice versa…..Pain was felt from both sides…..People from both sides of the border, talk about lost motherlands, that never saw again….
WE are all people, S.O.S, and we all feel the same….
Greeks lost Istanbul, and Indians lost Lahore, and the British lost America, and Spain south America……..
this is part of history, where people with bigger armies win the war…..
but pain and suffering is felt from both sides…
My family walked all the way from turkey to greece, but NEVER, NEVER felt hate towards regular turks that used to be their neighbors……
they always talk about their life there with so much love, that i never became racist, and feel love for turkey, the country of my ancestors, than hate……Isn’t this way better?
their neighbors in turkey, saved my family’s life…..they took in my great aunt, because she couldn’t come to greece…….there are so many stories of kindness among war, that you probably never heard……
Xenia,
please dont give up on greece,
there are skinheads in the UK, too, that have probably done more damage, but you didnt give up on your country….
Half of my friends in facebook are black people born and raised in greece, and very proud to call themselves greek and associate culturally with greece too..
I have become more proud of greece, because of that, because of the culturally diversity, and to tell you the truth, when some of those kids go to study abroad, they say ” san tin ellada, pou8ena ”
I am very confident that greece will be a better place because of this….
do not let haters influence your opinion about greece……
It is always up to people like you and I to form a greece that we both will be proud of….
Asalamu aleycum sr Yasmine,
Absolutely brilliant,phantasic.
Your second coming was fabulous!!The lesson to be learned:don’t be compulsive.Don’t let these cyber soldiers to drag you in their traps.
SOS
I’m proud to be a greek muslim converted from Orthodoxy.
Actually I belong to those followers of GGS who reverted to Islam,like the bishop of Trabsun(again),a member of the nobility of Pontiac Hellenism from the Skylitzis family,a century after Bessarion,with all his clergy.
The psychogram of Achilles and Mehmet Fatih is out of the issue.
Could you be kind enough,to write a few words about Alexander the Great and Achilles,his model fighter?
Mr McD
Sorry but it’s wishful thinking.
Just a Big Mac with pasturma for you..
http://www.kathimerini.gr/4dcgi/_w_articles_kathremote_1_28/05/2009_281844
Auto pou tha ithela na episimanw yia ta aderfia mou tous Ellines mousoulmanous alla kai yia tous xristianous pou diavazoun touta ta sxolia eine to eksis: oson afora tous Tourkous kai tin katalipsi tis konstantinoupolis (Istanbul), prepei emeis ws mousoulmanoi na katalavoume oti:
1. Tote ipirkse i othomaniki autokratoria kai ketelave tin Konstantinoulopi ws Islamiko kathestws, kai oxi san xwra. Opote se auto to simeio den exoume dikaiwma na exoume antirisseis ws mousoulmanoi dioti to Islam erhete prwto kai o patriwtismos edw den xwraei.
2. Oi Tourkoi, ws epikefalis tou Islamikou kathestwtos, eixan pesei se parakmi, kai den akolouthousan ton Islamiko nomo opws tha eprepe, yi’auto kai sto telos epese i Othomaniki autokratoria to 1924…
3. H eksaplwsi tou islamikou kathestwtos exei sigkekrimeno kwdika pou otan akoloutheite swsta, iparxei apolitos sevasmos sto atomo kai tin koinwnia. Den iparxei katapiesi stin thriskeia, oi xristianoi yia paradeigma exoun to dikaiwma na diatirisoun kai na kanoun praksi to pistevw tous kai apla plirwnoun jizya (foro) yia na eine ipo tin prostasia tou kathestwtos. Ekklisies den prepei na gkremizontai oute na vevilonwntai, alla apla apagoreuetai na xtizontai kainouries ekklisies. To pws xeiristikan oi Tourkoi tin Agia Sofia kai tous xristianous kai to pws kivernisan ws epikewfalis tou Islamikou kathestwtos, den ekprwsopouse ton pragmatiko nomo tous Islam, yi’uto kai katelikse stin dialisi tou kathestwtos opws idi anefera.
4. Oi Tourkoi den eine = Islam, kapoioi Tourkoi mporei na eine kakoi mousoulmanoi, kapoioi alloi omws kaloi, den mporei na tous pairnei olous h mpala. Auto simvainoi me toin kathe anthwpo.
5. To Islam einai omorfi thriskeia, tropos zwhs, me kwdika pou mas deixnei to pws prepei na zoume kai pws na prattoume se kathe kommati tis zwhs mas. Egw gennithika Ellhnida, apo Elleines goneis. Aspastika to Islam 9 xronia prin, kai apo tote akolouthw ton Islam iko tropo zwhs oso mporw. Eime prwta mousoulmana kai meta Ellinida. Kai eime perifani yi auto. Ean avrio itan i Ellada na katalifthei apoto Islamiko kathestws (ean ipirhe vevaia, dioti distihws den iparxei), tote, nai,. tha eimoun poli euharistimeni yi’auto, dioti oi simpatriwtes mou Ellines tha eihan tin eukeria na doun kai na akolouthisoun to Islam, xwris na eine ipoxrewmenoi na to kanoun ean den theloun. Nai, tha ithela i patrida mou mia mera na eine mousoulmaniki, katrw apo tin kivernisi enos dikaiou Islamikou kathestwtos, inshaAllah. Yiati oxi?
6. Thelw na episimanw pws den iparxei Islamiko kathestws simera, se kamia apo tis mousoulmanikes xwres. Oles ligo poli akolouthoun kapoia stihia apo ton Islamiko nomo alla kai alla stihia apo ti Disi. Auto den eine apodekto kai ws apotelesma, ola ta mousoulmanika krath exoun mi islamikes kiverniseis.
7. Oson afora to sxolio tis aderfis mou Yasmine, nai, kai egw xairomai poli pou h Istanbul eine mousoulmaniki (oxi tourkiki), allaehomai i katalipsi tis na eine ginei pragmatika me Islamiko tropo ki oxi opos egine….eimai sigouroi pws polloi perissoteroi Ellines tha ginontan mousoulmanoi.
8. By the way, Istanbul simainei: H poli tou Islam. Alhamdulillah.
Episis thelw na prosthesw pws oi Tourkoi ws kivernisi eine para poli secular opws kai oi perissoteres kiverniseis stis mousoulmanikes xwres. Den exw kati proswpiko me tous Tourkous aderfous mou, isa isa tous agapw yia ton Allah alla apexthanomai tin Tourkia ws kathestws kivernitiko..opws kai ola ta kivernitika kathestwta. Ws mousoulmanoi prepei na katalavoume pws nai, prepei na kanoume oti mporoume yia na alaksoume tin katastasi stin ellada, tin aksiothriniti katastasi ws pros tin antimetwpisi twn mousoulmanwn kai tou Islam. Na palepsoume na dwsoume mia swsti eikona tou ti einai to islam ws treopos zwhs, H alithia lambei outws h allws. Kai na papsoume na apologoumaste. To Islam den xreiazetai apologies, einai teleio. Oi anthrwpoi pou to akolouthoun mporei na kanoun lathoi, dioti kaneis anthrwpos den eine teleios. Yi auto tha parakalousa tous simpatriwtes mou tous xristianous, na stamatisoun to favlo kiklo tou Islam=Tourkia, h Islam = praksi tou A kai tou B anthrwpou….kai na piasoun na DIAVASOUN yia to ISLAM apo tis piges tou. Mono etsi tha gnwrisoun pragmati ti eine to Islam.
Thelw na diorthosw h kalitera na dieukrinisw kati apo osa eipa proigoumenws, yiati diavazontas ta sxolia mou, diapistwsa pws kapoia simeia mporei na paranoithoun. Sigekrimena oti anefera yia tin parakmi tis othomanikis autokratorias kai tin katalipsi tis Kontantinouloleos.
1. H othomaniki autokratoria den eihe ksepesei apo tin arhi, alla stadiaka, kiriws sta teleutea stadia tis.
2. O Mohammad Al-Fatih opou katelave tin Kon/poli den itan corrupt oute eihe ksepesei alla akolouthouse ton Islamiko nomo kai kwdika opws eprepe. Iparxoun yi’auto istorikes martiries pws den vevilwse oute katestrepse o,ti den eihe dikaiwma na katastrepsei. H kataktisi tis apo ton Muhammad Al Fatih anaferete se ahadith (The Prophet said: “You will conquer Constantinople. Its commander is the best and its army (that will conquer it is the best.”). H vevilwsi tis Agias Sofias kai kakometaxeirisi twn xristianwn, ean egine….(den mporoume na eimaste sigouri, etsi ta parousiazei i elliniki istoria) tha egine apo tourkous pou den akolouthousan ton Islamiko kwdika.
Opote thelw na zitisw signomi yia to frastiko mou lathos sto prwto keimeno opou anefera: ‘alla euhomai i katalipsi tis na eihe ginei pragmatika me Islamiko tropo ki oxi opos egine….
Lanthasmena diatipomeno sxolio yia dio logous: 1. dioti i katalipsi tis egine me islamikotato tropo, para tis pithanes vevilwseis pou ‘pithanon’ na ekanan kapoioi tourkoi/mousoulmanoi authereta kai xwris kamia entoli apo to soultano tous.
Tha zitousa apo tous Ellines simpatriwtes mou na diavasoun yia ti zwh tou Muhammad Al Fatih, ti soultanos itane, kai pws oloi oi katoikoi tis Kon/polis kai twn perihwrwn eniwthan kai itan prostateumenoi katw apo tin kivernisi tou (see: islamweb.net/ver2/archive/article.php?lang=E&id=136061)
Signomi mia akomi fora yia tin annoita diatipomeni dilwsi mou sto prwto keimeno. Elpizw na ksekatharistike.
Αδερφη μου Αννουλα το αρθρο σου πραγματικα με κατασυγκινησε,μου αρεσε παρα πολυ.
Πραγματι η ελπιδα πεθαινει τελευταια και ελπιζω ολοι εμεις να προσπαθησουμε για οτι καλυτερο.
Σ’ευχαριστω επισης για τις αναφορες σε ιστορικα γεγονοτα.
Επισης θα ηθελα να πω στους αδερφους μας Ελληνες οτι το Ισλαμ ειναι μια αρτια και ομορφη θρησκεια και οπως πολυ σωστα εθεσες διαβαζοντας για το Ισλαμ απο εγκυρες πηγες θα νοιωσουν την ομορφια του και την καλοσυνη προς ολη την ανθρωποτητα οπως την νοιωσαμε κι εμεις.
Αννουλα μου πραγματικα σε ευχαριστω.
Με αγαπη και εκτιμηση προς ολους τους επισκεπτες αυτου του μπλογκ
φιλικα Μαριαμ.
bilal wrote:
The psychogram of Achilles and Mehmet Fatih is out of the issue.
^^ Really, why is that? Mehmet Fatih supporters are trying to claim the Muslim conqueror was a scholarly figure who modeled himself after Achilles and read Homeric works while in reality his actions reveal he understood very little the meaning behind such epic Greek classics.
Could you be kind enough,to write a few words about Alexander the Great and Achilles, his model fighter?
I personally was never a fan of Alexander, like Achilles he was driven in part by anger, this is evident when he burned down Persepolis in revenge for Xerxes burnig the Athenian Acropolis some 200 years prior. Alexander may have spread Hellenism eastward, but he also incorporated many foreign traditions and customs of Eastern Civilizations into the Greek world. Alexander like many it seems in this forum wanted to unite the world. Many consider Alexander one of the greatest figures in history, I see him as a powerful king who adopted the worst aspects of Persian and Egyptian rule into the Greek world making himself a living god and giving himself absolute power. Alexander adopted elements of Persian dress and customs at his court, and demanded his fellow Greeks to bow before him which did not go over very well with his men who saw themselves primarily as equals. Alexander’s friend Clitus remarked that it was not good to entertain the barbarians with jokes about Macedonians, especially when the subjects of the satire were better men than those who made fun of them, even if their luck had been worse. This remark upset Alexander and joked that Clitus was pleading for himself, giving cowardice the name of bad luck. Clitus then got to his feet and said: “This cowardice, as you are pleased to call it, saved the life of the Son of God at the battle of Granicus. Those poor Macedonians you laugh at have, by their wounds fighting for you, made you so great now that you disown your father Philip and call yourself the son of Ammon.” Stung by these words, Alexander threatened Clitus: “Do you think you are not going to be punished for those words, which you say to make the Macedonians rebel against me?” Clitus replied “We are punished enough already,” he said, “if this is our reward for our work, and those men are lucky who did not live to see Macedonians have to beg Persians for access to their king, and to see Greeks beaten by barbarian rods.” Alexander then grabbed a spear and killed Clitus. The time frame of Alexander marks the end of the Greek Classical world, the end of isolationism and the end of political diversity. It’s ironic that the Greeks fighting so hard against the Persians to be free lost their freedom to a fellow Greek who ultimately abandonded Greek principals in favour of Eastern religions and court rule. Perhaps the lesson here is turning to foreign and Eastern cultures has only brought catastrophe to the Greek world.
Yasmine wrote:
muslims died in the hands of christians in greece and vice versa…..Pain was felt from both sides…..People from both sides of the border, talk about lost motherlands, that never saw again….
WE are all people, S.O.S, and we all feel the same….
^^ Fine then why not acknowledge that the Greeks were victims? Why be so cold and remark, “I am soooo happy every time i meet greeks that want Istanbul back …it is the most beautiful city in the world and it is muslim and turkish, and am so happy about it….Seems you feel very little sympathy towards your fellow Greeks.
In regards to; their neighbors in turkey, saved my family’s life…..they took in my great aunt, because she couldn’t come to greece…….there are so many stories of kindness among war, that you probably never heard…… << Well that’s nice that your neighbours saved your family’s lives but that doesn’t excuse the fact that others in Turkey tried to kill your family and fellow Greeks. We don’t have to hate Turks but we owe it to ourselves never to forget the fact we were driven out of a region where Greek civilization flourished for over 3000 years. The Western idea of liberty and freedom is a nobel one and every ethnos has the right to self determination. Let me remind you it was not the Greeks entering Turkish land that started this long conflict, but rather the Ottoman Turks moving into the Greek mainland its islands and conquering Constantinople and converting the great cathedral of Hagia Sophia into a mosque and enslaving Greeks that had lead to war.
“The Old Anna”
in order to avoid confusion, I have not commented this article, we have another Anna at this blog, and I am welcoming her warmly. From now on I, the old Anna will sign by “Anna S”
Nice conversation you have here, I must admit.
Son of Sparta, you made me feel so happy (συγκινημένη) from the answers you gave. Well done my brother in Ellesin.
I hope all our muslim friends here, to reconsider their love for their religion because from what I ‘ve read from their answers in this post, I have come to the conclusion that Islam indeed pull them away from the love of their country and mostly from the love of their non – muslim compatriots.
From your answers my muslim friends I also understood that in case of a war between your birthcountry and a muslim country, you will play the duck, since you are very happy when a muslim nation expands the borders of dar al Islam.
Indeed, this is not a religion but a socio-political ideology…
When I was a Christian, I used to love first my religion and then the rest of the world, but when I realised that this is a bitter feeling, I decided to pull away from Christianity..although not away from the love of Jesus.
Sorry, for my comments. But I am back… the same old Pierra – Piperati Fasarioza Kapetanissa
Pierra mas kalispera and here we go again.
Lets unload everything on Islam’s doorstep. Islam is not only a Religion but also a way of life. It teaches us to love everything for the sake of Allah SWT only and not for the sake of Creation.
As this world is only temporary our aim is the Final destination and our meeting Insha Allah with Allah.
I do not think I can take Greece, any other faith or Muslim brother and sister in my grave, with me , my house/,my possessions. So as I love everybody and I mean everybody for the sake of Allah SWT I try not to attach myself. And from experience humans will let you down.
I would go further into it but at the moment i do not feel up to it.
So Piperati Fasarioza Kapetanissa Pierra bye for now!
Pierra mou lipame pou to pires etsi dioti den ennoousan oloi osoi grapsane edo ayto pou les.
Oi perissoteri edo eimaste muslim alla agapame ti xwra mas kai theloume na kanoume oti mporoyme gia na ghinei kaliteri.
Ola exartontai apo ton tropo pou ghinete enas polemos kai apo ton tropo pou tha leitourghisi to islam se ayto.
Ego den thelo na parei kaneis ti xwra mou thelw mono na ghinei kaliteri me tin prospathia olwn mas fisika.
Ego zw edw oli mou ti zwh kai xerw oti i xwra mou einai panemorfi kai oso ki an tin katastrefoun ayti xanagienniete apo ti staxti tis,isos kapoioi den zoun edo kai den tous noiazei,o sizigos mou einai egiptios muslim kai zei edo 22 xronia kai leei : an ghinei polemos me toyrkia ego tha polemiso ghia tin Ellada,vlepeis kammia fora oi xenoi einai pio patriotes apo tous ntopioys.
Episis na simpliroso kati pou eipa xthes, den nomizw oti yparxei logos να ζηλεψουμε την τουρκια 1) γιατι ακομα και αυτοι που ζουν στη πιο αθλια χωρα αγαπουν την πατριδα τους και την βλεπουν την πιο ομορφη χωρα
2) αν ηταν να ζηλεψουμε μια χωρα θα ζηλευαμε π.χ. τη Σουειδια που εχει σαφως καλυτερη ποιοτητα ζωης,λιγοτερη φτωχεια,καλυτερη περιθαλψη και ανεπτυγμενη παιδια.
My dear Xenia. I always admire you when you defend your Islam.
But, I also realise that you are very very very much confused.
The answers you gave all of you, I have come to the conclusion that you are very much confused.
On the one hand you want to remain Greeks but on the other, Islam makes you, to put the love for your co- religionists and your religion on top of everything else.
On the one hand you want to keep the Greek language and on the other hand when it comes to defend your country from a muslim invador, you keep silent … at best.
Xenia mou and the rest of you, my muslim friends. In how many parts are you going to split your mind, heart and body?
You cannot say that you love your country but in a muslim invasion, or a muslim occupation of your country, it will be alright, because, the invadors are your muslim brothers and sisters.
You dilute your loyalty to your country and to your compatriots who are non muslims.
No country in the world would ever accept that. Even in an Islamic country, this would have been punished with the death penalty, because, it is a treason even to say that.
But, on the other hand, if we say to you, that what you are saying or what you believe about your country and your non muslim compatriots is a treasonous action, you feel offended. Could you please, tell me, why you feel offended?
Please, I know that what I am saying is very poisonous for you. But, you have to realise that you should find an real equilibrium in what you believe in, in which country you live in and come from:
“Mohammed once said to a Moslem: “If you love your Fatherland fervently, it is just like being faithful to your religion…”
Why, do you tend to forget this saying of your beloved Muhammed and instead you say things that are not within this context of the Haddith?
I am what my dear Pierra? I can hear it. Lets come out with it.
Shall I start? No I will leave it to you. A little constructive criticism never harms anyone. So I am waiting just after I pray.
I am …. and I have a lifetime of experience. Nothing you will say will knock me out.
One thing is that I am not and that is confused. I am totally against opression. So in the event of an attack I would be on the side of the opressed. Does this sound confused to you? So depending on the circumstances and only then I would decide where my loyalties are
If a Muslim country attacked Greece or UK for example out of the blue and without being provoked whose side do you think I would be?
When we know in Islam when war is allowed and the Divine Commands are very clear.
I could only decide when the situation arises . Saying all that pray for Peace on this earth. My family lives in Greece .
Xenia
Bye for now
Xenia
Μαριάμ Αλή, συγγνώμη, αλλά, έγραψα ό,τι έγραψα σύμφωνα με το τί γράφουν και λένε οι περισσότεροι και οι αρχαιότεροι εδώ μέσα αλλά και αυτοί που είναι πιο πολλά χρόνια στο Ισλάμ. Έσύ είσαι η εξαίρεση εδώ μέσα, τόσο μεγάλη εξαίρεση και φωτεινή που με εκπλήσεις. Ο σύζυγός σου ειδικά, ακόμα και αν με εκπλήσει ακόμα περισσότερο!!
Ειλικρινά, λυπάμαι πάρα πολύ που έχετε αυτές τις απόψεις -μιλάω για τους περισσότερους- αλλά, πραγματικά αυτές δεν πρόκειται να σας φέρουν ποτέ κοντά στους συμπατριώτες σας, μη μουσουλμάνους, αντιθέτως, θα σας φέρουν σε πολλή μεγάλη αντίδραση και αντίθεση με αυτούς.
Όχι, τίποτα άλλο αλλά έκανα μεγάλο λάθος που πίστεψα ότι μπορεί ένας μουσουλμάνος να είναι και Έλληνας συγχρόνως και να αγαπάει την Πατρίδα του, και όταν χρειαστεί να την υπερασπιστεί από κάθε επιβουλή από όπου και αν προέρχεται. Ακόμα και εναντίον του Τούρκου και κάθε Τούρκου, εισβολέα.
Αντιθέτως, την Ελληνική Ιστορία την αναδιατυπώνετε με διαφορετικό τρόπο, που μοιάζει τόσο πολύ με την Τουρκική έκδοση της Ιστορίας, τόσο, που με κάνει να υποψιάζομαι ότι υπάρχουν κάποιοι ανάμεσά σας, που παίρνουν εντολές απο την Τουρκική ΜΙΤ.
Όχι τίποτα άλλο, αλλά και που ήθελα να γίνω και εγώ μουσουλμάνα, τελικώς, δεν πρόκειται να με κάνετε ποτέ, γιατί, με αυτά τα πιστεύω δεν πρόκειται να ανταποκριθώ ποτέ μου.
PIERRA ΜΟΥ συμφωνω μαζι σου και εγω αν δεν ημουμ μουσουλμανα,ακουγοντας ολα αυτα δεν θα σχηματιζα και την καλυτερη γνωμη,ομως τι ισλαμ μας λεει οτι οταν γινεται πολεμος εχεις δικαιωμα να υπερασπισεις και να πολεμισεις υπερ της χωρας που ζεις για να υπερασπισεις την οικογενεια σου,επ[ομενως οι αδελφοι μας μουσουλμανοι πολεμοντας υπερ της Ελλαδως δεν θα προδιδαν την πιστη τους εφοσων και το Κορανι μας λεει οτι η υπερασπιση της “φωλιας” σου ειναι ενας απο τους λογους που επιτρεπ[εται ο πολεμος και δεν ξερω γιατι πολλοι εδω το ξεχασαν αυτο το σημειο και βιαζονται να καταδικασουν και να κρινουν αλληλους αν ειναι η οχι σωστοι μουσουλμανοι κατι που θα το κρινει μονον ο Θεος γιατι Αυτος γνωριζει τη υπαρχει μεσα στης καρδιες μας.
Επισης οταν καποιος γινεται μουσουλμανος σιγουρα ειναι κακο να παρει καποιον αλλον για παραδειγμα γιατι μπορει αυτος ο αλλος να μην ειναι καλο δειγμα,εγω π.χ. δεν αρκεστηκα στο τι εβλεπα απο τον συζυγο μου γιατι σκεφτομουν στην αρχη οτι αυτος μπορει να μου τα λεει οπως θελει,εψαξα και ψαχνω μονη μου,αν και τελικα σε οτι μου ειπε ηταν οντως ετσι,αλλα εψαχνα διαβαζοντας και ρωτωντας πολλους οχι εναν για να διασταυρωσω,επισης το ισλαμ ειναι μεν θρησκεια και τροπος ζωης αλλα δεν μπορει να σου αλλαξει το χαρακτηρα μεχρι βαθους,και τι εννωω με αυτο¨: αν π.χ. εισαι καχυποπτος δεν θα παψεις μετα να εισαι αν ασπαστεις το ισλαμ,πιστευω να καταλαβαινεις τι εννωω.
Φιλικα Μαριαμ
Mariam mou, σε ευχαριστώ για την απάντηση σου,
αλλά αν όντως αυτά λέει
τo ισλαμ: “μας λεει, ο,τι όταν γινεται πολεμος, εχεις δικαιωμα να υπερασπισεις και να πολεμισεις υπερ της χωρας που ζεις, για να υπερασπισεις την οικογενεια σου. Επομενως, οι αδελφοι μας μουσουλμανοι πολεμοντας υπερ της Ελλαδος, δεν θα προδιδαν την πιστη τους” εφοσον και το Κορανι, μας λεει, ο,τι: “η υπερασπιση της “φωλιας” σου ειναι ενας απο τους λογους που επιτρεπεται ο πολεμος.
Πραγματικά Μαριάμ μου και εγώ δεν ξέρω και δεν θέλω να βάλω τον εαυτό μου σε θέση να αρχίσω να σκέφτομαι, γιατί δεν συμπεριλαμβάνουν αυτήν την εντολή στην ζωή τους και στις σκέψεις τους, αντιθέτως, πολλοί (οπως λες και εσύ) το ξεχασαν αυτο το σημειο. Ειλικρινά, θα ήθελα μία απάντηση…γιατί το ξεχνάνε;;;
Eιληκρινα Πιερρα δεν ξερω,
καθε ενας απο μας εδω κανει μια καταθεση ψυχης και καλυμμενοι στην ανωνυμια μας φανερωνουμε αλλωτε τον καλο και αλλωτε τον κακο μας εαυτο,
το ισλαμ ειναι αγαπη και εγω αυτο το ισλαμ γνωρισα και αγαπησα και πιστεψα.
Αν βαδιζουμε στη ζωη μας με σημαια την αγαπη προς τον συνανθρωπο μας η ζωη θα γινει ευκολοτερη για ολους μας.
Με βρισκεται ρομαντικη? Μπορει. Αλλα αυτο μας απεμεινε,αν το χασουμε κι αυτο χαθηκαν τα παντα.
Υπαρχει ενα χαντιθ που λεει :
“Κανεις δεν ειναι πραγματικα πιστος αν δεν επιθυμει για τον διπλανο του οτι επιθυμει για τον εαυτο του.
Πύρρα μου, ο κόσμος πώς ξέχασε πως Ένας είναι Ο Θεός; Οι χριστιανοί, πώς ξεχάσανε το “αγάπα τον εχθρό σου”; Πώς, πώς, πώς;! Είναι η φθορά του χρόνου, που όσο δεν μπαίνει ο άνθρωπος στην διαδικασία να ψάξει για να επιβεβαιώσει, ξανα-ανακαλύψει, θυμηθεί, θα φθαρεί κι ο ίδιος, και οι ιδέες που φέρει.
Pierra mas I am indebted to you for drawing my attention to a few matters. Even after uncomfortable discussions something good has come out of it by the will of Allah. My love for Islam and Greece are compatible and I am happy to say I am a Greek Rethinker Muslim with confidence.
Also if you notice at the beggining of submit your comment there is a disclosure that says that the opinions of the authors oh the replies are just that: Their opinions and does not reflect the spirit and opinions of this website.
Thank you a 1000 times.
Xenia
No comments at all for the Glory of Islam from our rivals.
Pierra kapetanissa with a crew of demons,
SOS in the frozen north deffending his homeland waving a Canadian flag.
Both obcessed,they see everywhere Turks,spies,agents,wargames.
They see no Glory in Islam.
What do they see,then?Whatever a blind can see in the
(savaged) Gaza-paraphrasing the novel by Aldus Huxley “Eyless in Gaza”
FYI bilal is it not a member from the ‘frozen north’ who created this ‘Greeks Rethink’ website? I guess its OK for a Canadian of Greek descent to defend a Muslim world view ‘waving a Canadian flag’ but wrong for anyone else to challenge a Muslim’s view of Hellenic history.
PS: I must admit bilal I enjoy your sterotypical comments and sarcasim, for someone who advocates Islam whose teachings contradict the notion of nationalism you seem to show an unhealthy obsession with other people’s nationalities. If nationalism is unimportant to you why do you consistently show how acutely aware you are with other forum member’s citizenships? I for one am glad you take pride in ridiculing myself and any Greek who lives in the diaspora and whose historical world view doesn’t fit with your own, says a lot about your character. Perhaps if you sat down and thought about it bilal you may come to the conclusion that I and Pierra are not the only ones who are blind, but here I go again making another preconceived assumption, that you are big enough to admit that.
As a son of Sparta you should know that “To lakonizein esti philosophein”.
Have you any comment for the article by Mr.Korovesis?
To my opinion Iman K called and invited greeks to rethink about Islam.
You try to oppose this effort through disarticulated arguments .
Classic Antiquity is a Global Heritage and non a neohellenic obcession.
Islam embraced many aspects of this Heritage.
Sola Historia is a fondamentalistic tool to create national identities(much like sola fide or sola scriptura to reshape the world by the christian reformists in the West according to the Bush Gospel).
There is a difference indeed to live in Norway,Switzerland or Canada than in Balkans,Middle East,Caucasus,the Horn of Africa,C.Asia and so on.
Did they ask you on which side should you stand in the scenario of a greco-canadian war,before offering the Canadian citizenship?
As salamu aleycum-Barrak Houssain Obama President of the US.