Operation broom: racism in all its glory
May 22, 2009 by Guest Author
Source: Enet.gr
The “Operation Broom” of the Greek Police, a careless act and a torn up Qur’an brought to the streets hundreds of Muslims in Athens.
The night before last and during a police raid in an Arab Café in Aharnon St. in Athens, a meeting and a recreational point of the many Muslims of the city, a police officer smashed to pieces one of the very few things that support these people: ” Their Faith.”
Hundreds of Muslim immigrants gathered in Kypseli protesting against the insult towards their religion.
According to eye witnesses, a police team of about 7-8, who were yesterday patrolling the area of Agios Panteleimonas, entered at 9.00pm the specific café, which at the time was full and asked the patrons to produce their documents.
“They ordered them to take off their shoes, socks and they were searching everything,” say the immigrants, pointing out that the café has a good reputation and families often visit.
During the raid one of the police officers approached Mohammad, 24, who speaks poor Greek and asked him to empty his pockets.
The police officer among the belongings of the young man discovered a booklet with Arabic characters.
“What is this?!” he asked. “It is the Holy Qur’an, which I recite every morning and evening” he replied. “As you recite the Gospel, we have the Qur’an” he tried to explain. The police officer then snatched the Qur’an from the young man’s hands and ripped it to pieces.
“Don’t rip it man” shouted one of his fellow officers. “They can ….” He then shouted and threw the Quran on the floor. Later with a torn up Qur’an in their hands the representatives of Muslims in Greece addressed the Ministry of Public Order and Safety, reporting the abuse.
“This is the first time such an event has taken place in Greece and it should not be repeated” they replied.
Yesterday afternoon, when the incident was announced, large groups of Muslims gathered and marched in front of the A.T Kypselis at the junction of Thira and Patision.
In that position there were two MAT Squads. The assembly started shouting slogans, reacting and responding to the insult towards their religion, at the same time throwing some stones and rubbish resulting in the cause of some damage to one vehicle and one shop.
Bystanders reported that the police retaliated by throwing tear gas and chemicals aiming to move the demonstrators on, forcing them towards Omonoia Sq. to continue with their protest.
“The fact that the police officer tore up the Qur’an and stepped on it is a major crime as far as Muslims are concerned” says the Chairman of the Muslim Association of Greece, Naim El-Ghandour.
“The Qur’an is our symbol and represents our faith.” And a Muslim is only worth what his faith is worth. In the meantime communities and associations of immigrants from Arab countries (Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Bangladesh) are calling in protest this afternoon. The movement “Abandon Racism is demanding an immediate dismissal of the police officer.
This demand is based on the laws of racial discrimination. They also demand an official apology by the Greek government.
“It is a tremendous insult of the religious beliefs of people, people who have found themselves targeted by wars and Islamophobia that follows them even in Greece.
“It seems that Pavlopoulos and Makrogiannakis were enough to encourage the police to take on literally a crusade against immigrants of Greece.
Anti Capitalistic Left Wing in cooperation with Anatropi ( ANT.A.R.SY.A) are talking about the racist and oppressive acts of the police in Agios Panteleiomonas.
As a Muslim Union, we from all the mosques have refused to participate in today’s protest march” says Mr. El-Ghandour. “We choose the legal channels. We are waiting to learn the name of the police officer involved in order that we follow the legal route. Of course we have every confidence in the Greek judicial system. As the whole country faces depression and crisis, an irresponsible man comes along commits an irresponsible act and creates a problem. Many of the new immigrants are young kids of 19, 20, who have no jobs, face every day hunger and have lots of problems…
For them in those circumstances the slightest provocation can cause an explosion. We should have mutual respect for each others religions. Every one should treat the other’s sanctuaries with respect. The politicians need to hurry and find a solution for the immigrants’ problems and we must learn to live together respecting each other.”
Ασσαλαμ αλεικουμ,
συμφωνω με το σχολειο της Ξενιας και θα ελεγα ακομη οτι αυτοι οι ανθρωποι ξεκινουν απο την πατριδα τους με μονο οδηγο και προστατη τους ,τον Θεο.
Το Ιερο Κορανι ειναι για αυτους(και για ολους τους μουσουλμανους) μια πηγη δυναμης,κουραγιου και υπομονης, ειναι η ελπιδα που φερνουν μαζι τους για ενα καλυτερο αυριο.
Διαβαζοντας το παιρνουν κουραγιο απο τα λογια του Θεου για να αντεξουν τις κακουχιες τις ζωης.
Αυτος ο αστυνομικος σχιζοντας το τους ξεριζωνει οτι πιο ιερο κουβαλουν μαζι τους,ειναι προσβολη των ανθρωπινων δικαιωματων και ταπεινωση,ειδικα οταν γινεται απο ενα οργανο της ταξης.
Ασφαλως και θα πρεπει να μηνυθη ο εν λογω κυριος,για να δικαιωθει ο μεταναστης και να νοιωσει ασφαλεια σε αυτη τη χωρα που ζει,διοτι εχει τα ιδια δικαιωματα με ολους τους πολιτες αυτης της χωρας οπως του ζητανε να εχει και τις ιδιες υποχρεωσεις π.χ. φορολογια.
Δεν ειναι δυνατον να ζηταμε απο αυτους τους ανθρωπους να πληρωνουν εφορια,ικα,κ.τ.λ. και να μην τους προσφερουμε την ασφαλεια που δικαιουνται.
Υ.γ. και πιστεψτε με ,απο πηγες μου σε δημοσια υπηρεσια, οι περισσοτεροι απο αυτους τους ανθρωπους ειναι πολυ περισσοτερο νομοταγεις και ακριβης στις οικονομικες τους υποχρεωσεις, απο τους περισσοτερους ελληνες.
Ας δειξουμε λιγο σεβασμο,Ελλαδα δειξε το καλο σου πρωσοπο.
Καιρος να ξυπνησουμε και αντι να τα βαζουμε με τον καθε φτωχο που ερχεται να βρει μια ελπιδα,ας κανουμε κατι για μια καλυτερη Ελλαδα,ο λαος εχει δυναμη αλλα μας εχει αποβλακωσει η τηλεοραση και το lifestyle.
Ειμαστε φτωχοι με πλουσια ελαττωματα.
God The Creator is The All Mighty and Free of all needs. By destroying The Holy Qur’an which is a Sacred Book containing the words of God nothing has been deducted of His Might , Glory and Dominion.
What has been achieved by destroying The Holy Qur’an is a show of disrespect and intolerance by the Christian Orthodox Greeks and especially by a policeman, a man of authority whose job is to protect and safeguard all citizens despite ethnic origin or religious beliefs.
With such feelings of Islamophobia, and Xenophobia running so high in Greece there is no surprise that the Greek Muslims and Foreign Muslims ,residing legitimately in Greece and paying their taxes have been denied the basic right of an official place of worship and burrial.
We are so very often comfortable in our lofty houses, with our friends and relatives living round the corner providing us with comfort and support at the drop of a hat ,with our good jobs and free to believe and practice our religion that it would never cross our mind what it is like to leave our loved ones back home and come to a new country often hostile trying for a better future.
And the people who are supposed to be there to help us , people belonging to the police force are waving war and prosecution towards us and our beliefs.
Everybody has something to offer and in our arrogance we often forget that we are dealing with real people who have real feelings and we are all brothers and sisters in humanity even if our religious beliefs are different.
The Muslims in Greece are showing the right attitude by seeking justice through the courts and my prayers are for justice to be granted by the Will of our All Mighty God.
xenia
Ειρήνη σε όλους.
Ασφαλώς αυτός ο αστυνομικός ήταν ασεβής αλλά δεν νομίζω ότι υπάρχει ξενοφοβία. Υπάρχουν 1.500.000 ξένοι στην Ελλάδα και τουλάχιστον οι μισοί απ’ αυτούς κλέβουν, σκοτώνουν, ληστεύουν, βιάζουν κ.τ.λ. Αν έχουν τα κότσια, να πάνε στην πατρίδα τους να τα κάνουν αυτά. Όσοι είναι παράνομοι, θα έπρεπε να απελαύνονται κατευθείαν από τη χώρα.
Όταν οι Έλληνες πήγαν μετανάστες στη Γερμανία, στον Καναδά και στην Αυστραλία, πήγανε νόμιμα με τα χαρτιά τους και περάσανε μέχρι και από ιατρικές εξετάσεις. Μόνο στην Ελλάδα έρχονται κάθε μέρα εκατοντάδες ξένοι. Η επιχείρηση σκούπα της αστυνομίας καλώς έγινε. Πήγα στην ομόνοια και είδα αληταράδες να πουλάνε ναρκωτικά, όπλα κ.τ.λ. Πώς τολμάνε να έρχονται εδώ και να τα κάνουν αυτά? Αν τολμάνε, να πάνε στο κράτος τους να τα κάνουν.
Μη με παρεξηγήσετε όμως. Δεν είμαι ούτε ρατσιστής ούτε εθνικιστής. Το πρόβλημα δεβ είναι ότι οι άνθρωποι αυτοί είναι ξένοι. Το πρόβλημα είναι ότι είναι πολλοί (τουλάχιστον 1.500.000). Είναι αριθμητικό το πρόβλημα και όχι ρατσιστικό. Απ’ την άλλη, εγώ είδα ότι βγήκαν μετανάστες να διαμαρτυρηθούν και έκαψαν κα΄δους, έσπασαν μαγαζιά και έκαψαν αυτοκίνητα. Εμένα αν κάποιος μου έκαιγε το αυτοκίνητο, θα του έσπαγα τα μούτρα.
Όσο για τον αστυνομικό, δεν έσκησε το Κοράνι. Ο μουσουλμάνος αδερφός μας είχε στην τσέπη του σελίδες από το Κοράνι τυλιγμένες με άλλα χαρτιά μέσα σε μια χαρτοπετσέτα και όταν ο αστυνόμος τα άνοιξε για να τα δει, του πέσανε κάτω οι σελίδες. Ωστόσο αν ο αστυνομικός έκανε επίτηδες ό,τι έκανε, ασφαλώς θα πρέπει να μυνηθεί αλλά και όσοι μετανάστες τόλμησαν να κάψουν αυτοκίνητα και μαγαζιά, να διωχτούν αμέσως απ’ τη χώρα.
Brother Ali
I am taking your comments on board and appreciate your contribution.
This matter about if it was just a page or a full Qur’an will be based on evidence and it will have to be produced in Court. It would make no difference anyway . Which page of the Qur’an you as a devoted Muslim would you accept to be torn and defaced? Even if it was just a page the content is sacred.
That it was just a page and not a full Qur’an has not bee reported.
It has been reported as a full Qur’an.
Regarding the immigrant situation in Greece we can not generalise and say that everybody is a thief, murderer, vandal etc.
Obviously where there are large numbers of people you will find all sorts and again as Muslims we are not supposed to be suspicious of our brothers and sisters unless we have evidence.
And I am sure the authorities have qualified people in place to deal with their immigration problems in Greece or haven’t they?
Xenia
Καθε μεταναστης που τηρει τους νομους και δεν δημιουργει προβληματα στη χωρα που διαμενει ειναι ευπροσδεκτος.
Και ασφαλως το κρατος πρεπει να επιληφθει για αυτους που σκοτωνουν,κλεβουν κ.τ.λ. γιατι υπαρχει και αυτοι η μεριδα, και περιλαμβανει και τους ελληνες που κανουν αυτα τα πραγματα βεβαιως.
Δεν ειναι θεμα ρατσισμου καθολου,η γη ειναι για ολους τους ανθρωπους,οπως λεγαν οι παλιοι -οπου γης και πατρις- αλλα πρεπει να σεβομαστε και τη χωρα που ζουμε και τους υπολοιπους πολιτες της, και η χωρα με τη σειρα της να σεβεται και να προφυλλασει τους μεταναστες, να μην τους θυμαται μονο οταν ειναι να ψηφισουν!!!!
Salam brothers and sisters,
I agree with you all at many things, we need to stick to the incident and not go with those who found this a nice excuse to solve other matters. You think those who were stealing pockets and ice cream, breaking cars and destroying peoples fortunes did this for the ripped Quran? No way!
This matter has gone to the hands of law, we as Greeks should do so, we have trust to our legal system.
As for the Quran, it was a Quran, I had this chance to see this with my own eyes before it was testified along with the law suit to the police headquarters. It was a pocket book with parts of the Quran, the handkerchief was irrelevant, it was old and had a bad cover, but oh yes this was a quran indeed, some pages very ripped and others not, as you can see for yourselves at Ethnos & Elftherotypia papers of Friday.
But this is an isolated incident, never happened before and I wish never to hear something similar.
Peace to all
Αγαπητοί,
δεν κατηγόρησα όλους τους μετανάστες. Άλλωστε όπως είπα, το πρόβλημα δεν είναι ρατσιστικό αλλά αριθμητικό. Δεν μπορούν όλοι οι λαθρομετανάστες να έρχονται εδώ.
Αδερφή Ξένια, δεν με κατάλαβες. Δεν είπα ότι καλώς πάτησε το Κοράνι ο αστυνομικός. Άλλο είπα. Ο μετανάστης αδερφός μας είχε μερικές σελίδες του Κορανίου δεμένες με μια μονοτική ταινεία και με μια χαρτοπετσέτα. Ήταν φυσικό να θέλει ο αστυνομικός να το ελέγξει και δεν το έσκισε ο ίδιος (ήταν ίδιοι σκισμένο). Τώρα αν ο αστυνομικός το πάτησε (το Κοράνι) δεν το γνωρίζω (αν και δε νομίζω ότι το πάτησε). Και εγώ είχα ένα παλιό Κοράνι δεμένο με μονοτική ταινεία γιατί ήταν πολύ παλιό και σκισμένο από τα χρόνια (και φυσικά δεν το είχα σκίσει εγώ).
Καλώς οι μουσουλμάνοι αδερφοί μας διαμαρτυρήθηκαν αλλά δεν έχουν κανένα δικαίωμα να σπάνε μαγαζιά και να καίνε αυτοκίνητα (αν και προσωπικά δεν πιστεύω ότι κάποιος μουσουλμάνος έσπασε τα μαγαζιά αλλά μάλλον αναρχικοί ή άλλοι αλήτες που ανακατεύτηκαν με τους αδερφούς μας).
Ελπίζω να ήμουν ξεκάθαρος και συγνώμυ αν προσέβαλα κάποιον.
Asalamu aleycum,
Let us take it as an isolated incident.We put our trust before Allah(sw)to show mercy to the ignorant and we seek justice from the Law.
There are lessons to be learned.The sooner the better.
Greek media “stay to the facts”coverage much apreciated,except kathimerini(what a decadence..).
Everything on the hands of the greek administration to get the message at last..
I hope what happened,to stay away from the forthcoming elections.
Islamophobia and Xenophobia are not trustful councellors mr.Markogiannakis and mr.Pavlopoulos to achieve your political goals.
Ah mr.Karatzaferis,ask the pigeon for a second opinion..
Αλσαλαμ αλεκομ. Φυσικα ειμαι αναντιον των βανδαλισμον απο οπια και αν προερχονται .δεν φταινε τα περιοσικα τον κοσμο μαγαζια,αυτοκινητα κλπ . Εγω διαβαζα σχεδον ολες τες εφμεριδες και ακουσα το κυβερνητικο καναλι ΕΡΤ.ολοι σχεδον κατεγορησαν σχεδον την πραξη του αστοφιλκα εκτος απο τον αρχηγο το κομα του λαου ο κυριος καραφατζερης . ΑΔΕΛΦΕ μου ΑΛΙ χαρηκα πολυ που ξανα γραφεις και που εισαι καλα σε αφτα που ειχης εγραψη εισουνα πολυ οξυς και φανατικος κατι μου δεν το συνιθειζαμε απο σενα .τουλαχιστον εσυ χερεις και καλυτερα και απο μενα πως περισοτερι μουσλμανοι ειναι νομοταγεις και σεμπερφερονται με τον καλυτερο τον ευτους γιατι ετσι τους θελει η θρησκια τους .τους αλλους μεταναστες που κλεβουν,βιαζουν, και σκοτονουν τους ξερεις και καλυτερα απο μενα ειναι αλβανοι.και ειμαι με την κυβερνηση να διοξει οποιν κανει αδικηματα μετα φυσικα που θα παρη την τιμωρια του. αλσαλαμ αλεκομ.
Αγαπητοί φίλοι μου.
Έμαθα τα νέα, εν μέσω υπνηλίας λόγω 39 πυρετού και δύσπνοιας απο την άσχημη γρίπη (ευτυχώς όχι των γουρουνιών
που κόλλησα…από το τράμ…
Θα ήθελα να σας εκφράσω την ηθική συγγνώμη μου για το εκ προμελέτης;;; ή όχι, συμβάν που έγινε.
Αλήθεια, γιατί τα αυτιά των αστυνομικών έχουν πολλή μαρμελάδα όταν τους λέει κάποιος πολίτης -νόμιμος ή παράνομος- ότι, αυτό το τυλιγμένο πράγμα είναι το Κοράνι!
Ή μήπως, θέλουν πάλι να δώσουν ένα κατί τις .. μπούστο στην Ισλαμοφοβία και Ξενοφοβία, στην Πατρίδα μας και ανά την Υφήλιο, γιατί, τους ενοχλεί που εμείς οι Έλληνες είμαστε φίλοι καριοφίλοι με τους μουσουλμάνους;;
Εύχομαι, ο Αλλάχ, να μας συγχωρέσει όλους.
Pierra I hope you feel better soon.
We have this very same flu here and needless to say it is a pain. We have all been affected by it for the past week or so.
Thank you for understanding the sensitivity of the unpleasant issue of the torn Qur’am and your support is totally appreciated by all. I am very touched.
May Allah bless you!
Xenia
Perastika Pierra mas,
The idiot who did this in purpose or from ignorance offered the best service to the immigration issue in general and the distress of the Muslim community in particular in Greece.
The news agencies are buzzzzing around the world.
What we failed to achieve,is in process at the moment by Allah’s(swt) grace to find at least a hearing ear from the greek administration.
I agree with Br Bilal ,sensible and wise as always.
The voice of Greek muslim nationals and immigrants is heard at last by the will of All Mighty Allah.
Allah SWT is free of all needs.
He does not need us but we need him.
Here is hadith:
Hadith Qudsi 17:
On the authority of Abu Dharr al-Ghifari (may Allah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (peace be upon him) is that among the sayings he relates from his Lord (may He be glorified) is that He said:
O My servants, I have forbidden oppression for Myself and have made it forbidden amongst you, so do not oppress one another. O My servants, all of you are astray except for those I have guided, so seek guidance of Me and I shall guide you, O My servants, all of you are hungry except for those I have fed, so seek food of Me and I shall feed you. O My servants, all of you are naked except for those I have clothed, so seek clothing of Me and I shall clothe you. O My servants, you sin by night and by day, and I forgive all sins, so seek forgiveness of Me and I shall forgive you. O My servants, you will not attain harming Me so as to harm Me, and will not attain benefitting Me so as to benefit Me. O My servants, were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to be as pious as the most pious heart of any one man of you, that would not increase My kingdom in anything. O My servants, were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to be as wicked as the most wicked heart of any one man of you, that would not decrease My kingdom in anything. O My servants, were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to rise up in one place and make a request of Me, and were I to give everyone what he requested, that would not decrease what I have, any more that a needle decreases the sea if put into it. O My servants, it is but your deeds that I reckon up for you and then recompense you for, so let him finds good praise Allah and let him who finds other that blame no one but himself.
It was related by Muslim (also by at-Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah).
I think the above says it all.
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Ok… say the police did tear up a koran (but who knows)… do you people honestly think that this is a proper reaction to that?
Good lord, grow a thicker skin.
That what is a proper reaction to that? Protesting? Where does the freedom of speech go when Muslims want to use it? Do Muslims have no right on freedom of speech?
Hello ” Michelle”.
In a truly islamic fashion I welcome you to our Website.
I can’t help but feel that you remind me of somebody else. Sorry if I am mistaken.
As from your 2 liner forgive me to say that I have no idea about your origin or beliefs. But in Islam we are taught to respect all so it does not matter who you are or where do you come from.
So where does the abuse and hate towards islam and Muslims end?
We are not taught to turn the other cheek but to defend our faith and our Ummah in the best possible way and give the message of Peace.
What would you want us to do?
Surrender every Qur’an on Earth for destruction?
No Way.
As for the thick skin can you imagine living in a world full of humans with thick skin?
Best Wishes
Xenia
Hi Michelle. Welcome to our site. If what you mean by reaction, the protests and riots, the Muslim Association of Greece (which are the national official representatives) condemns these actions as they are unIslamic. If you mean by reaction, that the Muslim Association of Greece will file a human rights law suit with the Greek government, than I think you can agree that it’s most proper.
It is sad that it had to come to this for the voice of the Muslim community to be heard. The police are a hopeless lot with strong prejudices against many groups – even journalists. Good luck trying to knock some sense into them.
But the government has no excuse for turning a deaf ear to the community for decades. The Roma muslims are an example of a ‘forgotten’ minority left to survive on their own devices. I sincerely hope things will change.
International exposure always works well – our government tries so hard to keep information from the international community. When the spotlight is turned on them they have to at least pretend they are doing something.
Welcome & Thank you for your support and understanding.
May God bless you.
Xenia
Ειρήνη σε όλους.
Μία ενημέρωση. Σύμφωνα με το ελληνικό σύνταγμα, δικαίωμα να διαδηλώνουν έχουν μόνο οι Έλληνες υπήκοοι και όχι οι ξένοι. Ελπίζω τα γεγονότα αυτά που γίνανε πάντως να μην επηρεάσουν τις σχέσεις των μουσουλμάνων με τους Έλληνες. Άλλωστε οι περισσότεροι μουσουλμάνοι μετανάστες είναι φιλήσυχοι (με εξαίρεση ορισμένους Αφγανούς, Σομαλούς και Κούρδους που κατά καιρούς δημιουργούν στην Πάτρα και αλλού κάποια προβλήματα).
Αδερφέ Αλή, μπορείς να αναφέρεις που ή πως ακριβώς μπορούμε να επιβεβαιώσουμε πως υπάρχει τέτοιος συνταγματικός νόμος; Πρώτη φορά ακούω για κάτι τέτοιο.
Το έχω διαβάσει σε αποσπάσματα του Ελληνικού συντάγματος. Μπορείς να το ψάξεις στο διαδίκτυο. Φαντάζομαι ότι θα υπάρχει.
Asalamu Alaykum Ali
It sounds very strange for a country not to give any rights to legitimate foreign nationals.
I have no access to such information.
Could you please provide some more details.
I can not imagine Greece being so much behind ( Dark Ages Situation) with their legislation.
I would be shocked.
I know you can do it Let me have the info please.
I would be very interested.
Jazak Allah Kheir
Xenia
Αναρωτιέμαι αυτή την στιγμή τι θα σημαίνει αυτό…π.χ., δεν έχουν το δικαίωμα να διαδηλώσουν που οι χρυσαυγήτες κυριολεκτικά τους σκοτώνουν; Τι θα πρέπει να κάνουν; Να κάτσουν στα αυγά τους, ή μήπως να δόσουν όσα λεφτά ΔΕΝ έχουν για να επιστρέψουν στις χώρες τους, πράγμα που πρακτικά τους είναι αδύνατο; Δεν στέκει αυτό, έως και υπερπαράλογο μου ακούγεται. Δεν είναι ενάντια στα ανθρώπινα δικαιώματα αυτό;
Greece is for Greeks. Why can’t you people figure this out. You’re not wanted. Why must you people continue to flock non-muslim countries? If Islam is so great, why are all muslim countries not worth living in? Face it, Islam is [ MOD EDIT... religion ]which breeds a [MOD EDIT... culture.] Go back to your self-created [MOD EDIT] holes and fix them up rather than ruining the civilized world.
Thanks for your comments.
A good number of Muslims in Greece are Greek Nationals. Are you saying that they also need to be expelled?
Islam is a Great religion if only you give yourself the chance to read about it.
If you knew anything about it your comment would not have been modearated in such way.
Face it. Governments find Islam and Muslims threatening as it prohibits the evils that the world calls todays progress and civilization and fills the pockets and lusts of some, very few in fact and I would be surprised if you are one of them.
I am proud to be a Muslimah and have full Greek blood running in my veins.
Like it or not God will safeguard our religion and our Brothers and Sisters.
Greece belongs to God as is the whole creation and you and me are nothing.
I hope you will stop using foul comparables.
Xenia
@ Greekzilla
Needless to remind you that the Islamic world (those countries that are “not worth living in”) are like that because of European colonization, Western daily war on those countries, and please, don’t let me continue. Remember when the west translated Greek philosophers from Arabic? Remember when the west found soap and technology and everything that helped them advance, in MUSLIM countries? Remember when Christians were in war in between each others (in the crusades)? Remember that Christians killed almost 100% of the native American, native Australian population, and natives of New Zealand, etc. etc. etc., and that they tortured the Africans for centuries, not even recognizing that they could possibly be humans as well? Remember when in Spain, whosoever did not convert back to Christianity, was killed, and that even Jews and Christians fled to Muslim countries? I can go on for centuries, presenting you with all the crimes the Christians have committed, but it is of no use, because something is keeping you blind from seeing that Christians are not the only human beings…I feel sad that a religion that teaches love and compassion like your own, would be the one to destroy so many beautiful things, it’s a shame, really.
So, do you really believe that Muslims have no right to stand up for their rights? Do you believe that they have no right to being respected, like they always respected people from other ethnicities and religions (India, Persia, Spain, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, etc. etc. etc. etc.)? If so, there is only one thing I believe, and that is that you are wrong, period.
Απαντηση σε GREEKZILLA:
Φαινεται οτι το κρατος δεν συμφωνει με την παρατηρηση σας οτι η Ελλαδα ειναι για τους ελληνες ,διαφορετικα δεν θα αφηναν να ερχονται στη χωρα μας μεταναστες.
Λετε οτι το Ισλαμ μας παει πισω,η δικη σας δηλαδη ρατσιστικη συμπεριφορα ειναι δειγμα συγχρονου και πολιτισμενου ανθρωπου?
Επισης οταν λετε οτι το ισλαμ καταστρεφει τον πολιτισμενο κοσμο ,ποιον ακριβως εννοειται? Τον κοσμο της διαφθορας και της πορνειας? Τον κοσμο της κομπινας και της απατης?
Η μηπως εσεις ζειτε σε καποιον αλλον κοσμο ονειρικο?
Το ισλαμ διατηρει τις αρχες τις οικογενειας,της σεμνοτητας,της αγαπης προς τον συνανθρωπο,το περιβαλλον και ολα τα δημιουργηματα του θεου.
Εαν αυτο το θεωρειται mod edit,τοτε nai προτιμω να ζω και να μεγαλωνω τα παιδια μου με αυτες τις αρχες.
Xenia, I find it repulsive that a Greek would convert to Islam seeing the oppression our ancestors endured at the hands of the Turks. No I don’t think you should be deported, but I do feel that Greece should not allow any more non-Europeans in their country. Massive immigration alters the demographics. When the demographics are altered so is the culture. I don’t think anyo Greek in their right mind wants to live in a some sewer pit like Bengladesh, Nigeria, or [MOD EDIT]istan.
Amir, I’m not arguing that Arabs have contributed greatly to the civilized world. Sadly, it seems that their progress has been stymied in the last thousand years. I blame this on radical Islam.
I have no problem with Islam provided that it stays in the confines of their countries and not the west. We can’t coexist. It’s that plain and simple. Look at all the social problems that are going on in these homogeneous countries like Sweden, Norway, Netherlands, and Denmark. These countries were once paradises, and now there are areas in these countries that are no-go zones for the native population. Don’t these people have the right to exist freely withoput being harassed by foreigneres. It’s sad to read about the many muslim male- Scandanavian female rapes that go on. And why? Because these beautiful women do not adhere to allah’s dress code of looking like a ninja?
You have a big temper insulting my sister in religion and ethnicity.
Also, the oppression the Greek people got is from the Orthodox Church that had complete freedom in Greece (not even paying the Jizia tax). You forget right away about the fanariotes, the fact that Greeks had golden coins on their clothes, that the “secret school” is a lie, that the Sultans were always sons of Greek mothers because they believed that Greeks have more strategic and logical etc. brains. You forget a lot of things, I have to admit. What about the Greeks who killed thousands of Greek, Slavic, Ottoman etc. Muslims? What about the Arvanite Muslims who helped in the revolution? What about, what about, what about… During the Byzantine Empire and the Islamic enlightenment, where many Romans (Ρωμιοί) went to Iraq, Baghdad, who went there for sciences studies, etc. etc., and the father of one of the most important Greek (from the time of the Byzantine Empire) national heroes, Digenis Akritas, was Arab, specifically, an Arab Emir. So you see that the relation between Muslims and Orthodox Christians-Greeks, were always the best, until the Mongols came from the far east, destroying the Islamic Empire, becoming the Ottoman Empire, and destroying the Byzantine one as well, and don’t forget that the Ottoman Empire was as oppressive to Muslim Arabs, on the same degree as with Christian Eastern-Romans (Greeks). Your hate for Turks is somehow understandable, but your hate for Islam is illogical and un-Greek (considering the relation between the two in earlier times, but also in this time, Greece-Persia for example, etc.), and period again.
Greekzilla we cannot blame Muslim immigrants coming to Greece bringing with them their own religion, nor can we tell people who were offended by having their holy book torn up as Michelle stated to ” grow a thicker skin.” The truth is there have always been minorities in Greece as well as Greek minorities throughout the world. If Greece is allowing a disproportionate amount of foreigners into the country that is the fault of the Greek government . Greece and Greeks cannot afford to live in an isolated bubble, yet I agree a small nation like Greece or any small nation for that matter can only handle a certain amount of immigration in any one time. Greece is the birthplace of Western civilization and has contributed greatly to humanity, we cannot lower ourselves and allow uncivilized acts conducted against other people’s religions go unpunished under the laws of the country.
Well well Greekzilla
Welcome back.Honoured to have you in our company. Brother in Humanity welcome back.
Your comments make me aware of your ignorance and nationalism and I pity you.
The times have changed and the school teachings of my childhood are long gone. By the way I am a UK national with 100% greek blood and I am proud to say so even if you do not like it. ( meaning the greek blood of course). One problem less for you just in case you wanted to deport me.
Are you so much behind that you still have not woken up and smelt the coffee, that every Muslim is not Turkish?
The air of Islam breezes over Greece and you was probably asleep dreaming of times gone by while it was happening.
What are you worried for? That you will not be able to enjoy your freedom to exercise all prohibited things? That the ones who really pull the ropes in Greece will feel insecure just in case islam as a religion takes over?
I have visited some oh your ….Stan countries and trust me they would win in morals, friendship, family life Hands Up.
In fact my children are half ….stan so do not overstep the mark.
May God guide you
Xenia
Regards
Leave the past where it belongs and open your eyes to the truth.
Islam is the truth
What radical Islam are you talking about?????????????
Read your history a little more! Radical Islam all started when the Soviets attacked Afghanistan, and the Americans saw that as a threat. That’s why America decided to create Islamic Radical groups and parties. This is the first time in history that any form of Radical Islam appears. I also already told you that “progress stymied” because of the Christian Crusades, Christian colonization, Christian wars in our days (!do you even realize how many Christian missionaries are being sent to the Muslim countries were America is in war with?! A LOOOOT!). Also, it was the Mongols that destroyed a great deal of the achievements of the Islamic Empire. If you take a close look, the only Muslim countries that are not progressing, are those with which America is in war, or those that had been destroyed by the Europeans during the European colonization (African Islamic countries). If I’m wrong, correct me please, but I’m not.
Amir Abdullah you wrote “If you take a close look, the only Muslim countries that are not progressing, are those with which America is in war, or those that had being destroyed by the Europeans during the European colonization”
^^ Just out of curiosity which Muslim countries do you consider progressing? What is your definition of progressing?
Look, to tell you the truth, there is no Islamic country that is progressing, with the Islamic perspective on “progress”. From the western perspective though, there are quite a few, like Saudi Arabia, the U.A.E., even Iran, etc., meaning 1. either wealthy, or 2. progressing technological etc..
I was just asking because I am not aware of the Muslim world in terms of civil liberties and I was wondering if the same type civil liberties that exist in the West also exist in the Muslim world. I realize this is apples to oranges, but I think you understand that most Westerners are unaware if the same civil liberties under law are found in Muslim nations. So for myself, nations like Saudi Arabia do not come close as being seen as progressive.
From that perspective, I would mention Iran, Syria, Egypt, Morocco, Indonesia, the U.A.E., Turkey, hmm…
Actually, in proto-Islamic time, Islamic countries were more or less of same civil rights as the west now. It’s that the west has stolen all they had, that they have become more “close”, perhaps even using this term with the psychological meaning.
Would you say that perhaps the main reason Muslims migrate to Western Europe and the West in general is as a result for looking for work/money or is it perhaps due to the fact that civil liberties are wider ranging in the West?
Obviously the first one, since even when they go to non-muslim countries, they remain with their same traditions, like wearing the hijab, their clothing they consider to be modest (I say “they consider” trying to put it in an objective perspective, like Christians consider that you don’t need to wear a headscarf to be modest). Also, it might be that they are, subconsciously, afraid that if their country progresses, the west will do what it did, attack them and take them back to stage 0 because of jealousy, or something like that. It could as well be like you say it, but again, it is an undeniable fact that Muslims are being oppressed by the west which leaves them no other choice than not being able to progress. What can Iraqi people do for example? Nothing. I think that the west should give them some space. That would help.
I don’t doubt that many Muslim nations are oppressed from the outside and have been subjected to war. However at the same time I personally do not see civil liberties expanded in nations that are Muslim and not in a state of war or economic turmoil. You mention Egypt, I am sure you are aware of the fact that Coptic Christians have very limited liberties in that nation and have been there before the Muslims. I would suggest that perhaps Muslim immigration to the West will eventually lead to some sort of social movement in which Muslims inspired by Western civil liberties bring this concept back East causing a domino effect creating wide reaching changes not just in Europe but also in Muslim nations as well. Perhaps there will be a new dawn in civil liberties forcing Muslim nations to adopt more progressive civil liberties that Muslims so crave in the West.
I can ensure you that the civil liberties found in Islam, are more than enough, if not the same (with an exception in prostitution, gambling, and things that only harm the society) as western. That is why you will find many Muslims saying “we don’t need your “freedom”". Apart from that, I think that the rights of Copts are not limited as you suggest. It is actually the first time I hear about something like this.
I am not saying civil liberties are not found in Islam, I am suggesting they are very limited in the present day political Muslim world.
PS Coptic persecution follow the link below;
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/copts-are-persecuted-all-their-own-land
http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=33483
What the Muslims need, is to get rid of people who use them, and turn to Islam. The Muslims would be too ‘proud’ to be inspired by the west (after what the westerners have done to Islamic countries) anyway. I don’t think that would work. Also, I could not imagine a Muslima in a miniskirt, or a Muslim with a pink T-shirt (like what you see in Greece very often) etc., it just doesn’t fit with the Islamic mentality (of purity-being modest etc.). The U.A.E. try this already, but again, it just doesn’t fit together, and I even find it sad for the Christians to fall (morally) to such an extent.
Not saying that Muslims in some western countries, like the U.S.A. are not doing this (wearing miniskirts etc.), but it isn’t right, and the only reason this happens anyway, is because people are influenced, if not indoctrinated, with shopoholism and show-offism by the capitalocratic system, where of course, the rich only seek to get richer, and thus throwing all this advertisement to the people, where of course, sexual provocation is of utmost importance, since it attracts those who look at the advertisements. And after this brainwashing these people go through, they expect me to believe them when they say that it was their own choice to dress that way.
Sorry, gotten off topic.
1st article.
“Hundreds of Coptic young girls, including many under aged, are being kidnapped, raped, forced to convert to Islam and marry Muslim men.”
First of all, no Muslim forces anyone to convert, second, mixed (religiously) marriages happen all the time, it’s not something weird or degrading.
Kidnapping, raping, I think these are overstatements, and I don’t think they are true.
I’ll read the second article as well and give an answer to that as well.
Hmm…if these allegations are true, I do not agree, at all, with how the brothers in religion there, act.
Asalamu aleycum brs and srs in Islam,
How great thou art deffending your iman,your life’s choice to revert to the true faith,your love for the last Prophet(bpuh) being compassionate for the Ummah suffering from the zalimoon and the mushrikin now and in the past..Because our ALLAH is Al Rahman-ever,all Compassionate.
Always steadfast never transgres.
For you our honoured guests,
May I ask you what did you get from my adress to my beloved brs and srs?
Perhaps not too much.
That’s the gap that keeps us and you apart.Ignorance about Islam,superficial reading of Its Message,perverted stories about our Messenger…
You deserve an answer.Spit please more poison in your pens.Make your arguments sharper and deeper.
We don’t drink from shallow vessels.
gz:Exesti Klasomeniois asxhmonein.
Xenia, I’m praying that the BNP does well in the upcoming elections and saves the UK from the mess the labour party created. Can you please explain explain to me why crime has surged in the UK or Athens? I see a common thread.
Son of Sparta, don’t be fooled by the Trojan Horse muslims. They want world domination, plain and simple.
Greekzilla so we meet again!
Astagfir Allah!!! Ask forgiveness from God!
I hope I am not alive when BNP wins. How can you say that? Have you got any idea what they stand for? Have you got any personal dealings with them? Have you got an idea what is like to have British born and bred foreign looking children and being a parent worried in case they come across one of these fascists?
The crime has surged in UK as the morals of the British people have known no lower.
A country where homosexual priests and gays are allowed to marry.
No need to say anything about the clergy in Greece!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So please pray for something else as if you visit UK even you are not safe from them.
People who have glass houses do not throw stones is my favourite saying.
I would suggest you concentrate in your home affairs first and the nationalism you suffer from before you start in the UK ” market”.
Pleased to chat to you again.
Xenia
Lol my friend, LOL.
World domination, make me laugh! Who is the one who wants world domination here? Right guess, the west!
I’ll tell you a little story. I was sitting in a coffee shop with my father and some of his friends (all non-Muslims), in Greece. One of his friends is quite famous for the field he works in, and he has opened an office in a neighborhood, where junkies live, steal, murder, etc. etc. etc., many of those, indeed from Muslim countries. One other of my father’s friends, asked told him what you said, that crime (these junkies) exist because of the immigrants there being Muslims, but the first one answered that even with no Muslims, it would be the same, and that the only reason these immigrants get involved in this whole junk, is because they don’t have any other way to make a life.
The Muslims are not troublemakers, and in Greece they never were after her (Greece’s) independence from the Ottoman empire.
Anyway, I find it rather funny how fanatic you are…how old are you, really? You must not be all too old. It’s only a phase, you’ll get over it, don’t worry.
Friendly greetings,
Amir.
@Αμίρ, ορίστε το απόσπασμα του συντάγματος:
“Το ελληνικό Σύνταγμα του 1975, όπως ισχύει μετά τις δύο αναθεωρήσεις του 1986 και 2001, στο άρθρο 11 ορίζει: 1. Οι Έλληνες έχουν το δικαίωμα να συνέρχονται ήσυχα και χωρίς όπλα. 2. Μόνο στις δημόσιες υπαίθριες συναθροίσεις μπορεί να παρίσταται η αστυνομία. Οι υπαίθριες συναθροίσεις μπορούν να απαγορευτούν με αιτιολογημένη απόφαση της αστυνομικής αρχής, γενικά, αν εξαιτίας τους επίκειται σοβαρός κίνδυνος για τη δημόσια ασφάλεια, σε ορισμένη δε περιοχή, αν απειλείται σοβαρή διατάραξη της κοινωνικοοικονομικής ζωής, όπως ο νόμος ορίζει.”
@Σον οφ Σπάρτα,
οι αλλόθρησκοι πρέπει να σέβονται ο ένας τον άλλο. Διάβασε το άρθρο μου:
http://nabiallah.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/6-%ce%bf%ce%b9-%ce%bc%ce%bf%cf%85%cf%83%ce%bf%cf%85%ce%bb%ce%bc%ce%ac%ce%bd%ce%bf%ce%b9-%ce%bf%ce%b9-%cf%87%cf%81%ce%b9%cf%83%cf%84%ce%b9%ce%b1%ce%bd%ce%bf%ce%af-%ce%ba%ce%b1%ce%b9-%ce%bf-%ce%b4/
Asalamu Alaykum Br Ali
Thank you for the info.
Greece is in EU and I am sure their legislation should be in line with other EU countries.
This all looks a bit strange to me. So if you reside in Greece and pay taxes you still have no rights.
Anyway Jazak Allak Kheiran
Wasalam
Salam to all and brother Ali
By the way Br Ali
What would you define as Greek? I done a search in Wiki and this is what I found:
The Greeks (Greek: Έλληνες, ) are a nation and ethnic group native
to Greece, Cyprus and neighbouring regions. In addition, Greeks have established a plethora of vibrant expatriate communities around the world, forming a large Greek diaspora.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GREEK
Now I am not clear if Ellines are the people residing in Greece legitimately despite of Place of Birth with proper Visas and Possibly Greek Nationality ( eventually) or you have to have been born in Greece?
This brings to mind to ask what would you class me?
Born in Greece , both parents Greek and all grandparents and living abroad with a British Passport.
I would like to know if you think of me as Greek or British?
But this legislation is beyond the point as the muslims in Greece want and request the solution of the ” Ripped Qur’an ” issue through the courts and they condemn all other actions.
If you read the Press Release in the Home page you will understand that demonstrations and looting is not in their mind.
Many thanks
By the way I done a search of the word and:
native
native [náytiv]
adj
1. inborn: existing in or belonging to someone by nature
her native intelligence
2. born or originating somewhere: born or originating in a particular place
3. relating to somebody because of birth: relating or belonging to somebody or something because of the place or circumstances of birth
4. indigenous: originating, produced, growing, or living naturally in a place
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
If we look at No 4 it says living naturally
I rest my point.
Xenia
Αδερφή Ξένια,
νομίζω ότι το σύνταγμα με τη λέξη “Ελληνες” εννοεί αυτούς που έχουν ελληνική υποικοότητα.
Asalamu Alaykum Br Ali
Why would the Syntagma ignore all others.
Is that not an incomplete and unfair Syntagma?
Just a thought.
Μιλάτε για το Σύνταγμα και για το συγκεκριμένο απόσπασμα. Θα πρέπει να έχετε κατά νου, ότι ζούμε σε ένα έθνος κράτος και είναι φυσικό να μην επιτρέπετε σε μετανάστες – μή Έλληνες να ΄συναθροίζονται σε ομάδες και να διαδηλώνουν κ.τ.λ. Κανένα κράτος του κόσμου δεν επιτρέπει κάτι τέτοιο. Αυτό δεν σημαίνει ότι οι μετανάστες δεν έχουν δικαιώματα αλλά, αυτά εντάσσονται σε άλλους νόμους που έχει ψηφίσει το Κοινοβούλιο που είναι σύμφωνα με τις Διεθνείς Συνθήκες χορήγησης ασύλου κ.τ.λ. Άλλο το ένα και άλλο το άλλο. Μην τα μπερδεύετε.
Εκτός, και αν αλλάξουν οι νόμοι στο μέλλον και αρχίσουν να επιτρέπουν τα πάντα. Γιατί, κάτι μου λέει ότι κάποιοι έχουν βάλει στόχο και σκοπό να καταργήσουν το έθνος κράτος και να το κάνουν μπάχαλο για χάρην μιας παγκόσμιας ειρηνικής (?) κοινωνίας.
Αυτό θα το ξεκινήσουν, αρχής γενομένης της Ελλάδας μας, γιατί, δυστυχώς πάντα ήμασταν το .. πειραματόζωο της Δύσης, για ό,τι θα επακολουθήσει και στο μέλλον για τα υπόλοιπα κράτη του κόσμου. Βλ. πόλεμος εναντίον των κομμουνιστών στην Ελλάδα, … η εμπειρία που αποκτήθηκε από τους Δυτικούς εφαρμόστηκε και στην Βόρεια Κορέα, στο Βιετνάμ, ΄Λάος κ.α.
Επίσης, Έλλην είναι αυτός ή αυτή που νιώθουν και πράττουν ώς Έλληνες.
Αυτό έχει δείξει η ιστορία. Κάποιοι γνησιότατοι Έλληνες να προδίδουν την Πατρίδα και κάποιοι άλλοι που δεν είχαν και δεν έχουν καμμία γενετική ή φυλετική σχέση με Έλληνικότητα, να πεθαίνουν για την Ελευθερία της Ελλάδος. Βλ. τους Φιλέλληνες που ήρθαν να πολεμήσουν για την Ελευθερία μας και όχι μόνον.
Muslims around the world are very angry over the humiliation of their holey book. I don’t believe that must Christians realize the fact that the holey Quraan actually instructs Muslims to respect other faiths and not humiliate them by any mean. In fact, the holey Quraan instructs Muslims to believe in the former holey books (the bible is among them) and decides that without belief in the former holey books, Devine religions, and prophets a person shall not be considered a Muslim!
We as Muslims do believe that other religions carry respect to other ethnic groups and demand that such humiliating incidents are treated with the required strictness to ensure piece and tranquility in our extremely diverse world.
Amir,
very well done,
you remind me of someone
.. in english 4 everybody to read
When you are in Rome, do what the romans do.
I lived abroad for over a decade. If I didnt follow their rules, I would be in deep trouble. You visit a country, you MUST follow and local customs and do thing the local do, not impose your way of life to there culture. I HAD TO DO IT, send them to U.S.A and see if they dare protest and burn cars.
Its always Greece that has to give up, local way of life, and be politicaly correct, and GIVE everybody else, what we never-ever thought of. You are the visitor, you are welcome BUT you are asking for stuff. People asking are people that bother me. Dont bother ME and I will never bother YOU.
If you keep coming with demands, trust my words, those giving goverments will be kicked out, and the alternative is not what EVEN I, wish for.
Kaneis δεν προσπαθησε να επιβαλλει τον τροπο ζωης του σε κανεναν και το καψιμο αυτοκινητων κ.τ.λ. εγινε μετα το συμβαν και αυτο απο μη μουσουλμανους,το καταδικασαμε κι εμεις ως μουσουλμανοι γιατι ειναι αντιθετο στην δεοντολογια μας.
Ασφαλως και ολοιπρεπει να σεβονται τη χωρα που ζουν ελληνες και αλλοδαποι,μουσουλμανοι και μη ,ποιος ειπε το αντιθετο?
Σαν μουσουλμανοι το μονο που εμεις ζηταμε δεν ειναι να ακολουθησετε ολοι το ισλαμ κανεις δεν προσπαθησε να προσυλιτησει κανεναν, ζηταμε σεβασμο στη θρησκεια μας και να εχουμε νομιμο τζαμι και νεκροταφειο σαν ευρωπαικη χωρα που ειμαστε ,οπως και ειναι ενα νομιμο δικαιωμα μας αυτο.
Τιποτα περισσοτερο και τιποτα λιγοτερο,και κανεις δεν ενοχλει κανεναν ,σεβομαστε και αγαπαμε ολους τους συμπολιτες μας και τη χωρα μας.
Αν η πολιτεια εδιωχνε τους μουσουλμανους απλα και μονο επειδη ζητανε αυτα που ειναι νομιμα δικαιωματα τους θα ηταν αντιδημοκρατικο και θα γυριζαμε στο μεσαιωνα.
Η πολιτεια ας βαλει μια ταξη στο χαος των λαθρομεταναστων και των κακοποιων, αυτη ειναι η δουλεια της,οχι να αφαιρει δικαιωματα και θρησκευτικα πιστευω απο τους πολιτες της.
Δεν εχει λογικη αυτο που λετε,δεν το καταλαβαινετε?
Και δεν ειναι μονο αλλοδαποι μουσουλμανοι ειναι και ελληνες οπως εγω,τι θα κανει? θα διωξει και μας?
Επειδη ζηταμε ενα χωρο προσευχης και ενα μερος να ταφομαστε?
Ειναι καθ’ολα νομιμα αυτα που ζηταμε και το σχολιο σας ειναι ασταθες.
Λυπαμαι που σας μιλω ετσι δεν εχω προθεσει να σας προσβαλω ουτε να σας θιξω και παρακαλω να μην το παρετε ετσι αλλα νομιζω πρεπει να ξαναδιαβασετε πιο προσεκτικα το αρθρο.
Mr Leon thank you for your comment,
I also live abroad and I am free to practice my religion of choice without fear of prosecution or denial of my religious rights. I recently wrote an article about our local cemetery and it brought home to me , how much we have and how little our brothers and sisters in Greece have. They are law abiding citizens , paying their taxes and voting for a Democratic Government. ( I am not talking about the illegal immigrant who the circumstances have forced to a life of crime and they themselves would not have chosen that path. There are also exceptions. This is not the matter in hand in my reply).
Lets put ourselves in their shoes. There are also Greek citizens (born Greek and not by adoption). Say I go to Greece and die. This is the scenario. My religion says for the deceased to be buried straight away. What are they going to do with me? Throw me in the sea? Drag me all over Europe? Take me to Thrace? Can you imagine? Can you imagine living somewhere where you have no official place to pray? For just to exercise your basic right of worship, you have to break the law of the country you live in and love? Of course your love for God will overtake anything else. Of course there is no choice. So what would you do? No Muslim peaceful Muslim sets out to burn cars and destroy property. Then who does so?
The operation broom is not racism. Οι παράνομοι μετανάστες πρέπει να φύγουν από τη χώρα, να απελαθούν. Να έχουμε ξένους εργάτες στην Ελλάδα αλλά να ξέρουμε ποιοι είναι, από πού έρχονται, που μένουν και να τους ελέγχουμε ενώ τώρα μπαίνουν στη χώρα ανεξέλεγκτα.
Έχουμε 2.000.000 Έλληνες που ζουν κάτω από το όριο της φτώχιας και 20% ανεργία και 2.000.000 περίπου λαθρομετανάστες. Γιατί να ταϊζουμε πρώτα τους ξένους και όχι τους δικούς μας φτωχούς? Πρώτα θα κοιτάξουμε το σπίτι μας και αυτό είναι το φυσιολογικό. Δεν είναι ούτε φασισμός ούτε ρατσιμός. Γιασ την ακρίβεια οι Έλληνες είναι 10.500.00 και οι ξένοι λαθρομετανάστες και νόμιμοι μετανάστες 1.500.000. Η εγληματικ΄’οτητα γίνεται 50% απ’ τους ξένους και 50% απ’ τους Έλληνες μόνο που οι ξένοι αποτελούν το ένα δέκατο (το 12%) του πληθυσμού της χώρας. Άρα η αναλογία είναι 30% εκλήματα οι Έλληνες και 70% εγκλήματα οι λαθρομετανάστες.
Καταλάβαιτε το και σταματήστε να μιλάτε για ρατσισμό. Φταίνε οι κυβερνήσεις που δεν έκλεισαν τα σύνορα τόσα χρόνια και μπαίνει παράνομα στη χώρα όποιος γουστάρει και δεν ξέρουμε ποιος είναι και από πού είναι και τι αρρώστιες κουβαλαέι κ.τ.λ.