One blames the other on cemetery/mosque

May 7, 2009

Source:  Enet.gr

(Διαβάστε παρακάτω, στα ελληνικά. )

Back in 2005 when the Church of Greece bestowed 30.000m² at Shisto area to create a Muslim cemetery, no one could imagine that three years after nothing has been done. The same stands for the other issue, this of the construction of the Mosque at Eleonas area.

A law that has been voted since 2006 and includes all details, remains in the drawers of the ministry of Education, while the Ministry of Defence ask for funds to relocate the warehouses of the Army Navy. This time the Church has no responsibility on that.

The “freeze” of the construction of the Muslim cemetery and the construction of the mosque are described in the answers of the Church of Greece and of the ministries in charge, after a request of the Muslim Association of Greece and the Question of parliamentarian of SYRIZA party, Pericles Korovesis to the related ministries.

The Church, answering to the Muslim Association on April 6, “fingers” four ministries. After the decision of the Constant Holy Synod at December 2005, the director of Financial department of the Church, Andreas Zambelis writes “we proceeded to written and oral reminders to the authorized state organizations (Ministries of Internal Affairs, National Education & Religions, Foreign Affairs, Social Works) in order to proceed with the establishment of the cemetery by taking decisions and to issue the necessary certificates for this (defining the usage terms etc.) Without these we cannot proceed to bestow this land for usage with notary actions to the organization that will take in charge the management of the cemetery”. Mr. Zambelis concludes “From the above emerges that the responsibility of the fulfillment of this decision of Constant Holy Synod has exclusively and only the state authorities in charge, who until today they have not proceeded at the necessary actions”.

The “the state authorities in charge” answering to the question of Syriza parliamentarian Pericles Korovesis on the issue of the Muslim cemetery are revealing:

The deputy minister of foreign affairs Theodoros Kassimis writes in his answer between others “we are informed that the area that was offered from the Church of Greece for the construction of the Muslim cemetery is judged by the authorities in charge as unsuitable to locate a cemetery. After this other areas are being examined either from the Church or the KED (Hellenic Public Real Estate Corporation).

The deputy minister of Internal Affairs, Thanasis Nakos in the same line supports that

 ”the matter is re-discussed in order to take the necessary measures, in order to effectuate the decision of the construction of the Muslim cemetery in Attica” and relegates the matter to the ministry of Environment & Public Works, where the deputy minister Stavros Kalogiannis avoids to answer saying vaguely that they have informed the Holy Synod on this.

Rather interesting though was the answer of the Ministry of Defence, through the minister Evangelos Meimarakis that explains why they cannot bestow 36.000m ² at Eleonas for the construction of the mosque. “There is not possibility of funding from the state budget the project of re-locating the services of the Navy to another area”. The minister continues “the possible locations for the construction of the mosque and the financial requests for the re-location of the particular departments of the Navy are the following:

The area of the central car station of the Navy in the middle dept in NE Votanikos, choice that would mean the translocation in area of 30.000m² and cost 62.600.000€

The area of PON SE Votanikos, choice that would mean the translocation in area of 30.000m² and cost 28.650.000€”.

 

 

 Ο ένας τα ρίχνει στον άλλον για νεκροταφείο και τζαμί

 

Οταν το 2005 η Εκκλησία της Ελλάδος παραχώρησε 30 στρέμματα στην περιοχή του Σχιστού για τη δημιουργία μουσουλμανικού νεκροταφείου, κανείς δεν θα μπορούσε να φανταστεί ότι τρία χρόνια μετά δεν θα είχε γίνει απολύτως τίποτα. Το ίδιο ισχύει και για το άλλο θέμα, αυτό της ανέγερσης τζαμιού στην περιοχή του Ελαιώνα.

Ενα νομοσχέδιο που έχει ψηφιστεί από το 2006 και προβλέπει όλες τις λεπτομέρειες, παραμένει στα συρτάρια του υπουργείου Παιδείας, καθώς το υπουργείο Αμυνας ζητάει χρήματα για τη μετεγκατάσταση των αποθηκών του Πολεμικού Ναυτικού. Αυτή τη φορά η Εκκλησία δεν φέρει καμία ευθύνη.

Το «πάγωμα» τόσο της δημιουργίας μουσουλμανικού νεκροταφείου όσο και της ανέγερσης τζαμιού περιγράφονται μέσω των απαντήσεων της Εκκλησίας της Ελλάδος και των αρμόδιων υπουργείων, έπειτα από αίτημα της Μουσουλμανικής Ενωσης Ελλάδας και ερώτησης του βουλευτή του ΣΥΡΙΖΑ, Περικλή Κοροβέση, προς τα αρμόδια υπουργεία. Η Εκκλησία, απαντώντας στη Μουσουλμανική Ενωση, στις 6 Απριλίου «καρφώνει» τέσσερα υπουργεία. Μετά την απόφαση της Διαρκούς Ιεράς Συνόδου τον Δεκέμβριο του 2005, γράφει ο γενικός διευθυντής των Οικονομικών Υπηρεσιών της Εκκλησίας, Αντώνης Ζαμπέλης, «προέβημεν εις εγγράφους και προφορικάς υπενθυμίσεις, προς τους αρμοδίους Κρατικούς φορείς (υπουργεία Εσωτερικών, Εξωτερικών, Εθνικής Παιδείας και Θρησκευμάτων και ΠΕΧΩΔΕ) προκειμένου να υλοποιηθή η δημιουργία του Κοιμητηρίου με την λήψιν αποφάσεων και την προς τούτο έκδοσιν των απαιτούμενων διοικητικών Πράξεων (λ.χ. Προεδρικό Διάταγμα καθορισμού όρων χρήσεως κ.λπ.). Ανευ των Πράξεων τούτων δεν δυνάμεθα να προχωρήσωμεν εις την διά συμβολαιογραφικού εγγράφου παραχώρησιν χρήσεως της εκτάσεώς μας προς τον φορέα που θα αναλάβη την διαχείρισιν του Κοιμητηρίου». Ο κ. Ζαμπέλης καταλήγει: «Εκ των ανωτέρω προκύπτει ότι την ευθύνην διά την καθυστέρησιν της υλοποιήσεως της Αποφάσεως της ΔΙΣ φέρουν αποκλειστικώς και μόνον οι αρμόδιοι Κρατικοί φορείς, οι οποίοι μέχρι σήμερον δεν έχουν προβή εις τας απαιτουμένας ενεργείας».

Οι «αρμόδιοι κρατικοί φορείς», απαντώντας σε ερώτηση του βουλευτή του ΣΥΡΙΖΑ Περικλή Κοροβέση για το θέμα του μουσουλμανικού νεκροταφείου, είναι αποκαλυπτικοί:

- Ο υφυπουργός Εξωτερικών Θόδωρος Κασσίμης γράφει στην απάντησή του μεταξύ άλλων: «Πληροφορούμεθα ότι η περιοχή που προσφέρθηκε από την Εκκλησία της Ελλάδος για τη δημιουργία του μουσουλμανικού νεκροταφείου, κρίθηκε από τις αρμόδιες υπηρεσίες ως ακατάλληλη για χωροθέτηση νεκροταφείου. Κατόπιν αυτού, μελετώνται ως εναλλακτικές λύσεις άλλοι χώροι που θα μπορούσαν να διατεθούν είτε από την Εκκλησία της Ελλάδος είτε από την ΚΕΔ».

- Ο υφυπουργός Εσωτερικών Θανάσης Νάκος, στην ίδια γραμμή, υποστηρίζει ότι «το ζήτημα επανεξετάζεται, προκειμένου να ληφθούν τα αναγκαία μέτρα, ούτως ώστε να υλοποιηθεί η απόφαση για τη δημιουργία του μουσουλμανικού νεκροταφείου στην Αττική». Και παραπέμπει στο ΠΕΧΩΔΕ, που με τη σειρά του (υφυπουργός ΠΕΔΩΧΕ Σταύρος Καλογιάννης) αποφεύγει να απαντήσει, λέγοντας γενικά και αόριστα ότι έχει ενημερώσει την Ιερά Σύνοδο.

Ιδιαίτερο ενδιαφέρον όμως είχε η απάντηση που έδωσε το υπουργείο Αμυνας, μέσω του υπουργού Ευάγγελου Μεϊμαράκη, που εξηγεί γιατί δεν μπορεί να παραχωρήσει 36 στρέμματα στην περιοχή του Ελαιώνα για την ανέγερση τζαμιού. «Δεν υπάρχει δυνατότητα χρηματοδότησης από τον προϋπολογισμό του έργου της μετεγκατάστασης των υπηρεσιών του Πολεμικού Ναυτικού σε άλλη περιοχή». Ο υπουργός Αμυνας συνεχίζει: «Οι πιθανές θέσεις για την ανέγερση του τεμένους και οι οικονομικές απαιτήσεις για τη μετεγκατάσταση των υφιστάμενων χρήσεων του Πολεμικού Ναυτικού είναι οι παρακάτω:

* Η θέση του Κεντρικού Σταθμού Αυτοκινήτων του Πολεμικού Ναυτικού, στο μεσαίο τμήμα του Ν.Ο. Βοτανικού, η επιλογή της οποίας θα είχε ως συνέπεια τη μετεγκατάσταση της χρήσης σε έκταση 30.000 τ.μ. και την εκταμίευση ποσού 62.600.000 ευρώ .

* Η θέση του ΠΟΝ, στο νοτιοανατολικό του Ν.Ο. Βοτανικού, η επιλογή της οποίας θα είχε ως συνέπεια τη μεταγκατάσταση της χρήσης σε έκταση 30.000 τ.μ. και την εκταμίευση ποσού 28.650.000 ευρώ ».

 

 

Special report: Greek Parliament member pushes religious freedom for Muslims

March 30, 2009

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Parliament member Mr. Periklis Korovesis from the Syriza party lodged a formal question [about religious freedom] to the Greek Parliament, in particular the Ministers of Internal Affairs, Foreign Affairs, Education and Religions, National Defence. (Please view the seven questions at the end of this report.)

 

 

 

 

Subject: Muslim Cemetery and Mosque in Attica

In Athens, where 700 000 Muslims of all nationalities live, there is neither a mosque nor a Muslim cemetery, making Greece the only country in Europe that has not taken care of this.  This practice opposes Article 13 of the Constitution and Article 9 of the European Convention for the Human Rights that clearly state “the freedom of religious conscience is unhindered”.

Understandably, the Muslims in Athens feel the sense of rejection as they have no ability to pray, get married, and have a funeral service with dignity.  As a result, this brought the existence of over 50 unofficial praying places in the region, often located in undergrounds and garages.

Just recently, the Prefecture of Athens fined the owner of an underground building at Nea Ionia 60 000 euro and 30 000 euro because he used it as an unofficial mosque without special permission of a “bethel”, allowing Muslims of the area to pray there.

There were significant local protests from the immigrants who opposed the prefecture as well as Greek inhabitants and authorities, demonstrating on Saturday February 7th at a massive movement in this small area (more than 1000 people) asking for a proper place to conduct religious tasks, which is a right registered by the constitution. 

However, the decision of the prefecture and the reactions on behalf of the immigrants is not new.  Thirty years have passed since the first claim in 1976 was lodged for building a mosque in Athens from the Arabic embassies, when all Greek governments projected several barriers in order not to proceed to its fulfillment.

Meanwhile, in other countries like Sweden, there are five mosques, 150 praying places and 10 Muslim cemeteries; in France there are 2000 praying places and 12 mosques when the cemeteries (except for one Muslim cemetery established in 1930) where it is obliged to have place of burying Muslims; in Norway (Oslo) the mosque was established in 1980, in Poland (Gtansk) in 1989, in Russia (Moscow) in 1912, in Scotland (Glascow) in 1983, in Portugal (Lisbon) in 1988, in Malta in 1978, in Ireland (Dublin) in 1978, in the UK there is the biggest Muslim cemetery in Europe and many mosques.

In 1983 the Greek state was committed to construct a mosque in Marousi, but this did not work due to the reactions of the local authorities. In 2000 the law 2833 was including the establishment if an Islamic Cultural Centre and Mosque in Peania with expenses that the Saudi Arabian Government would cover. This project was cancelled and in the very same place they realized that was already been built an orthodox church!

In October 2006 the Ministry of Education presented a draft law for building a mosque at Eleonas, a feasible project in harmony with the protected green of the area. The decision remained inapplicable because at the area that was given for the mosque is located navy base and the transfer of that means that 5 000 000 euro should be found. Although the Muslim Community was willing to offer that amount, this offer was not accepted, for it is the obligation of the Ministry of Defense to provide the funds to the Navy.

The Muslim Association of Greece sent a recent letter (27.01.09) to the Minister of Education and Religions asking to fulfil the governmental commitments and accusing the ministry’s palinodes twice for losing the necessary documents for the realization of this project.

Similar luck seems to have the permanent claim of the Muslims for the establishment of the Muslim cemetery in Athens, for which we have lodged a question (number of lodgment 1334/15.7.2009).

Despite of the bestowal of the field at the area of Schisto for the establishment, and the commitments of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that was authorized as a coordinator of the engaged authorities, no procedure has proceeded. Hence, since the Muslims of Attica have no official mosque, nor  a cemetery, nor a religious scholar who will be under a law to practice their religious rituals, they are forced to move their dead to Thrace or abroad with a huge economic cost for the family, that rates even 5000 euro (for Pakistan).

For the construction of the Muslim cemetery in Schisto, the Muslim Association of Greece has sent a letter again to the Minister of Internal Affairs on 27.01.2009, asking for intervention, as far as the bureaucratic procedures of the local authorities are concerned for the following reasons:

  •  All these are unprecedented for an elemental democratic country and equals to “Islamophobia” and discrimination if the Islamic civilization;
  • The pertinacious non-immigration policy of the governments has created a suffocating place of living for Muslim immigrants and refuges that are in Greece, insulting fundamental and obvious human rights of every civilised country;
  • The immigration stream of the last decade has definitively changed the face and composition of the Greek society affecting even its deeper structures, transforming it to multicultural and religious differentiation, which in fact compels changes in point of vision, criteria and methods.

 The ministers are asked:

  1. What is the status of the procedures for the construction of the Eleonas mosque and what are the obstacles of moving the navy base, the cost of the moving etc.
  2. Have the funds been found by the Ministry of National Defense for the move of the navy base from the area of Eleonas?
  3. In which point are the procedures for the establishment of the Muslim cemetery in Shisto? Is the topographic survey of the area that was expected to be completed within a two months period starting from July 2008, according to the response that was given to us by the Deputy Minister of foreign affairs Theodoros Kassimis?
  4. Has the transfer of the proprietary title of the area been made by the Church of Greece to the local authority in charge of the Muslim cemetery?
  5. Are the procedures of the Ministry of Zoning and Public Works finished as concerning the zoning of the cemetery area?
  6. How do they think to improve the conditions of religious freedom and equity, having in mind the condition that has prevailed in Greece and in Europe, in order to reduce the distance that separates our country from the rest of Europe?
  7. Which constitutional preconditions they think to create will allow all religious communities to enjoy the internationally acknowledged equity of rights and parity for the religious rights?

 

Athens, March 26, 2009

Member of Parliament

Periklis Korovesis

 

 

 

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